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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dewey »

mywittyname wrote: post #270
spydr wrote: post #159

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> do you care about who your actions might affect This one surprises me every time I fly. When I have the aisle seat I can be up and out in 10 seconds. It seems to make like everyone else will plop down , place down 3 different liquids on the tray and then take a nap. When I ask to use the bathroom I end up feeling like a nuisance

> When I ask to use the bathroom I end up feeling like a nuisance It's your right to ask to use the bathroom whenever you need. And others have the right to use that little tray for their stuff when they want. (while allowed by the airline, of course)

You are describing exactly that phenomenon. Of course it's your "right" to do that technically, but is it a nuisance to others? Yes.

Just like smoking next to others (when allowed), or reclining your seat 100% in economy. Technically it's your right to just that.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 »

kaffekaka wrote: post #280
Ajedi32 wrote: post #272

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I'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?

6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.

Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected.

Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Delphiki »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #272
sp8 wrote: post #205

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Sorry for an empty response but this, 100% this. As a person who is WELL over 6' tall, the very idea that the person in front of me might recline is enough to give me significant anxiety throughout a flight. I once saw a design for seats where the base slides forward if you want to recline - the idea being, if you're going to recline you're going to do so into your own space, not the person behind you. I'd be a big a…

I'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?

I'm 6'4" with a lot of my height in my legs. Sitting comfortably (not slouching, mind you), my knees already barely rub against the seat in front of me. As soon as that seat is reclined, my knees get crushed and I have to either sit up even straighter or twist to the side, neither of which are comfortable. Or, I have to pay to be in a higher fare class with more space.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

munk-a wrote: post #273
kstrauser wrote: post #269

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I mean, do whatever you want that doesn’t hurt people around you. But when it hurts them, it’s time to ask whether our own convenience is worth the pain we’re causing.

Why is the airplane that chooses to place seats so close together not on the hook for all of the blame in this scenario? We could just offer a decent traveling experience for everyone.

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by nerdawson »

kstrauser wrote: post #276
munk-a wrote: post #273

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Why is the airplane that chooses to place seats so close together not on the hook for all of the blame in this scenario? We could just offer a decent traveling experience for everyone.

Oh, it’s definitely their fault. They brought this about to cram extra seats on a flight, customers be damned. No doubt about it, they’re certainly the root cause. But when you find yourself in an uncomfortable group situation, it’s good to ask how you can make it better for everyone, or at least not worsen it. “I paid so I’m doing whatever it takes to not inconvenience myself in the slightest” is the origin of “this…

> It’s different when there’s a compelling physical need here. If the person in front of me has a hurt back and can’t bear sitting upright, and I knew about it, I’d put up with it as best I can in the interest of we’ve all got to get along. But in the scheme of things, not that many people are unable to sit up and not crush their neighbors.

How would you know whether or not the person in front of you has a compelling physical need? Are they supposed to explain their health concerns to you in the hope that you deem it sufficiently acceptable for them to do what they can to be comfortable? It’s unreasonable to expect someone in physical pain to suffer the indignity of explaining themselves to someone they don’t know.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dylan604 »

Delphiki wrote: post #283
Ajedi32 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also over 6' and I don't understand the problem? The seats only recline a few degrees, it's not like they're laying on my lap! Even fully reclined there's plenty of space in front of my face, and leg room is barely impacted at all. (Like probably an inch max?) Granted, I've only flown American and Delta, maybe other airlines are worse in this respect?

I'm 6'4" with a lot of my height in my legs. Sitting comfortably (not slouching, mind you), my knees already barely rub against the seat in front of me. As soon as that seat is reclined, my knees get crushed and I have to either sit up even straighter or twist to the side, neither of which are comfortable. Or, I have to pay to be in a higher fare class with more space.

Have you tried the exit row instead? Sure, you might have to agree to help others, but if you aren't willing to do that regardless of the row, then that just says a lot about you.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by kaffekaka »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #282
kaffekaka wrote: post #280

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6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.

Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.

Yes, my knees often/always bump into the seat in front of me, even without it being reclined. If/when it is reclined it means my knees are pressed harder backwards.

When I can, I pay for extra leg room or get an aisle seat.

My opinion is strongly that seats should not be reclined. It is inconsiderate.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dylan604 »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #279
sp8 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for an empty response but this, 100% this. As a person who is WELL over 6' tall, the very idea that the person in front of me might recline is enough to give me significant anxiety throughout a flight. I once saw a design for seats where the base slides forward if you want to recline - the idea being, if you're going to recline you're going to do so into your own space, not the person behind you. I'd be a big a…

good news: that seat design is available and some airlines use it.

> some airlines use it.

and there lies the rub.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 »

dylan604 wrote: post #286
Delphiki wrote: post #283

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I'm 6'4" with a lot of my height in my legs. Sitting comfortably (not slouching, mind you), my knees already barely rub against the seat in front of me. As soon as that seat is reclined, my knees get crushed and I have to either sit up even straighter or twist to the side, neither of which are comfortable. Or, I have to pay to be in a higher fare class with more space.

Have you tried the exit row instead? Sure, you might have to agree to help others, but if you aren't willing to do that regardless of the row, then that just says a lot about you.

Many airlines don't let you choose your seat without paying extra. But yeah, maybe if you're that tall that's just an unfortunate extra cost you have to bear.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dylan604 »

ahtihn wrote: post #263
close04 wrote: post #225

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> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to b…

I'm 185cm and I couldn't imagine having to endure a long haul flight without reclining. I never get these discussions. It's only ever online that I see complaints. Almost everyone reclines on long flights. It's normal. It's expected. If it makes you uncomfortable that's a you problem, everyone else seems fine with it. If it makes you physically uncomfortable, pay for extra leg room. Don't make your problem the proble…

> I never get these discussions.

Nor I. TFA is about a chess bot, yet here we are discussing seat reclining etiquette.

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