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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

pxoe wrote: post #232
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

What does notepad have to do with web based apps? case in what point? New Notepad in 11, with tabs and autosave (and dark mode), is so much better and more practical to use over old one, it just stays open all the time and become my main notetaking pick. It may take a beat to open a big file (1+ mb) with line wrapping, but it's pretty much just as fast as anything (and may be even faster than some other editors). It'…

Yes, some nice to have features were added, but it’s a text editing app, and not a good one at that, so it shouldn’t be crashing like that.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by mycall »

quacked wrote: post #261
kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

I dug out my dad's Windows 98 era PC that he was running Windows 2000 on that we hadn't turned on since 2011, and it felt lightning-fast compared to W10 and W11. Double-click to open apps and they appear, ready to type in. It felt like I was on some kind of futuristic prototype.

Some of that is all the security apparatus in W10/11 which 2000 doesn't have. So many CVEs since 2000.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by scorpioxy »

I recently had to pay the "Microsoft tax" to Lenovo. Which felt more like an unfair punishment rather than a tax since your taxes are meant to fund public services. I kept on thinking that this feels like it should be illegal. I don't use Windows for my work. My servers all run Linux, my clients servers all run Linux and I have no need for it so why am I being forced to pay?

I keep a Windows virtual machine for software that doesn't run on Linux but my use of that over the years has declined dramatically.

To me, the earlier versions of Windows 10 were somewhat OK when they're stripped down. But Windows 11 is bloated beyond belief. And shoving AI functionality in it is going to make things worse.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Rohansi »

novaleaf wrote: post #262
Rohansi wrote: post #218

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I just tried it on regular Windows 11 Pro and it just opened the calculator.

I bet the friend just pressed the Windows key, and typing "Calc" and quickly pressing enter caused Bing to search for calc instead. Common failure because window's start-menu search/load/discovery is a total mess.

Even in this case it opens the calculator. Web search results are further down.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by rstuart4133 »

netsharc wrote: post #192
kyboren wrote: post #162

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I've been pretty much exclusively Linux-based for over a decade now, but I used every version of Windows from 3.11 to Windows 7, so I still have some muscle memory from the good ol' days. Recently I was helping a relative do something on their Windows 11 machine and I asked them to press Windows key + R, type calc, press Enter. And I was astonished at the result. Literally: Mouth agape, frozen in astonishment for abo…

What does happen? I'm using Windows 10 Enterprise (is that GitHub repo to activate any license still around?) , with policy to disable Internet search from the start menu... so your story makes me wonder what the astonishment is.

I had a similar experience to the OP. After a new version of Windows I tried to run something, or maybe it was just pressing the Start button, and I waited, mouth open, wondering what in $DIETY's name was happening before it responded. The pause was completely alien to a Linux user, who is used to the Window manager unconditionally responding instantly. It would be alien to users of older versions of Windows too.

I decided in the end it was pulling down stuff from the web - in tiles it displayed beside the start menu. If you were on a fast network and had a good internet connection the problem mostly went away. The feature was inherited from WinPhone, I think. So it wasn't that the underling OS or video had got slower, it was them bolting on irrelevant crap to the menu. I later got smarter and deleted all the tiles, so only the menu was displayed. That improved things considerably. I remain gob smacked at them crippling their product like that.

I'm try to avoid Windows now, and am mostly successful. But I read these stories about them adding AI and ads into the mix. If they bolted them into basic window functions like the start menu in the same idiotic way, I could well believe Microsoft has release the slowest Windows ever despite it running on the fastest hardware the planet has seen.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

At work employees generally use okay machines, not great but still at least 3GHz i5 processor with 16GB of ram etc. and they only run an ERP client and a browser with a few tabs.

Sometimes, I click on the windows button and it legit takes 3-4 seconds for windows to render the start menu that only has the program list, nothing else, just the list of programs.

These machines with their 6/8 or so cores can do tasks at the scale of nanoseconds and it takes, 3 whole seconds to render a single window with a list of program names, that’s simply stupid.

Anyone who has ever touched a windows xp machine knows that the start menu can complete drawing before my brain can register that my fingers in fact touched the keys, which takes roughly 20ms or so if I remember correctly. What the hell is this system doing?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by brewmarche »

novaleaf wrote: post #258
pxoe wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does notepad have to do with web based apps? case in what point? New Notepad in 11, with tabs and autosave (and dark mode), is so much better and more practical to use over old one, it just stays open all the time and become my main notetaking pick. It may take a beat to open a big file (1+ mb) with line wrapping, but it's pretty much just as fast as anything (and may be even faster than some other editors). It'…

I see you were fortunate enough to not use notepad aprox 5 months ago, when they were running the rich formatting preview. It was on by default, and would drop around 5% of the characters you type. Literally failing at the only thing it's supposed to do. I repro'd this on 2 out of 2 machines. Maybe they fixed it, maybe they haven't. I both turned off formatting and am using vscode for notes now.

I think I had to disable spellcheck to fix the ignored keystrokes, it happened even after disabling formatting

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by emeril »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

web is, frighteningly, much faster and more responsive than local desktop apps are now (e.g., gmail is infinitely more responsive than desktop modern outlook generally speaking - even web spreadsheets are superior to modern Excel (though not, say, Excel 2003...))

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by davkan »

gruez wrote: post #243
greenavocado wrote: post #50

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- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot…

This list really needs proofreading. >- BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account Unless something changed with 11, this is opt in, with a specific "save to your microsoft account option". I really don't see the issue here. >- Hardware attestation This is either a rehash of the "TPM 2.0 requirement" point above, or just outright false. >- Telemetry/Data Collection >- Extensive diagnostic data collection This are…

To be fair, while many of those are indeed optional or non-issues, the problem is that user experience has been degraded in w11 while there has been almost zero value-add for end users.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by emeril »

cmxch wrote: post #252
user____name wrote: post #129

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Iirc only businesses can buy that and you cannot upgrade hardware.

Form an LLC and present yourself as a small business interested in IoT.

or just buy a cd key from a wholesaler for $20 :)

probably won't be disconnected... been using such a cd key for months w/o issue and my win11 experience isn't that painful

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