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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by loeg »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #228
benregenspan wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they meant it has much larger % share of pickup market in Europe vs US, not necessarily higher absolute number of sales ( https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2025/02... )

Surely the hilux would be more popular than the ranger, but maybe Toyota just sends those to the developing world and Australia?

The Hilux is the second best selling truck in Europe, as far as I can tell.

The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jijijijij »

verisimi wrote: post #175
Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

I can't believe we're still waiting for an open source car! The open source washing machine and printer still aren't here either... :(

I think chances are vastly better now with EVs, you probably could reuse the crowdfunded opensource washing machine. Combustion engines are simply way, way too complex. Although I presume the real showstopper is control electronics and regulatory approval for ICEs and EVs alike.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by loeg »

kubb wrote: post #183
kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I think the F-150 is the most popular. I know many people don’t care about other’s subjective experiences, but it’s always such a mindfuck to my EU mind when I see trucks of this size. Like my brain expects the car to finish, but there’s more car. Then it happens again and again in a quick succession. It confuses me, I shake it off. I look at the car again. The bed is empty, there’s one person in it. Then I think „wh…

Almost any large car will fit almost anywhere in the US, so you might as well get the car that serves even your most marginal use cases. Fuel costs are much lower than Europe, and Americans are relatively richer anyway.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by speedgoose »

eeeficus wrote: post #125
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

French fries is not a french invention AFAIK but belgian!

That’s not true.

https://www.rtbf.be/article/cuisine-la-frite-vient-elle-de-f...

https://www.news.uliege.be/cms/c_10630394/fr/les-grands-myth...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jfengel »

graemep wrote: post #170
Aurornis wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally: I helped someone look for a cheap car recently and the base models are everywhere on my local lots. YMMV and I'm sure someone will respond that their area doesn't have any, but in my recent experience it wasn't hard to find a base model at all. It's driven by consumer demand: If you can pay $30/month on your 5-year loan and get heated seats and a nicer navigation system, that's $1/day for 5 years and the…

I suspect you are right that this is linked to how much time people spend in their cars. I am quite happy with a cheap car because I do not use it everyday, and even when I do the majority of my journeys are short ones (15 to 20 min).

I really wish there were an even cheaper car for that use case. Perhaps billed as a second car for families, where one is used just for commuting and errands, and the other is the general purpose one with a longer range. Say, with an 80 mile battery, two seats, and under $10k.

I gather that they exist in China and might be allowed into the US. I'd buy one.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by danans »

forinti wrote: post #62
Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

What really makes me mad is how bumpers were made to protect the car and now they are these expressions of design that you have to protect at all costs from scratches even.

> What really makes me mad is how bumpers were made to protect the car and now they are these expressions of design that you have to protect

Bumpers today are made to protect the car's occupants, not the car.

They are the start of the crumple zone, whose purpose is to absorb and release most of the energy transfer of the crash by deforming, rather than transferring it to the passenger compartment.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by weli »

emtel wrote: post #242
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

> Guillotine for the super rich Can we not glorify mass executions on HN please? Bluesky is available if that's your thing.

When did hacker news become so right wing that saying the French revolution was a good societal movement is seen as "glorifying mass executions"? lmao

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by speedgoose »

mihaaly wrote: post #174
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

No. 5) is Belgian. I believe both nation would be offended about the confusion of origins. Americans simply thought they are in France in WWII when they ate it. ; )

Here are some Belgian articles about the French origin :

https://www.rtbf.be/article/cuisine-la-frite-vient-elle-de-f...

https://www.news.uliege.be/cms/c_10630394/fr/les-grands-myth...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by jfengel »

crazysim wrote: post #163
jfengel wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incidentally, you're describing my 2020 Subaru Impreza. Under $20k for my dealer demo. I do wish it supported a later version of Android Auto so that I could run that via Bluetooth. (It does have regular Bluetooth but that's just audio.)

Wireless Android Auto or Carplay generally use BT to setup but WiFi to send the bulk of the graphical data over. That said, there are adapters to make an existing Android Auto Wireless if you want it. I think some are sold on Amazon too so you could probably try and maybe return. I don't have any experience with them since I'm very happy with my car's built in wired Android Auto and the reliability of cabling but it…

Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by loeg »

otterley wrote: post #249
NoGravitas wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's why Subarus are stereotyped as a lesbian car in the US. Instead of grandstanding, they "get the job done" (as the Chappell Roan song goes).

Unless you’re in the Pacific Northwest, in which case, they are issued to every new resident (myself included). Traded in my Ford Explorer for a Subaru Outback and could not be happier.

AWD has regulatory advantage in Washington state (you're allowed to go over the mountain passes without snow chains in most conditions, even though a RWD or FWD vehicle with snow tires would be just fine in the same conditions), and Subarus are all AWD. I think that's part of it.

When I bought a new car last year, I made sure to get AWD -- not because I have any specific need for AWD performance, but because of this stupid special treatment in Washington law.

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