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Post by bwb »

class3shock wrote: post #236
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

Or it's a placebo effect. And if it didn't work out and made you worse or, god forbid, the advice caused you to get seriously injured, then what? ChatGPT won't take any responsibility. I have so many issues with our current health system but an alternative is not an unreliable search tool that takes no responsibility for the information it provides.

You always have to use critical thinking, listen to your body, and get advice from trainers in the trenches. As I mentioned, I did all of those things :)

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Post by bwb »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #253
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

> to communicate with doctors effectively Did the doctors agree? I never thought of AI as a good patient navigator, but maybe that’s its proper role in healthcare.

Like anything, it is a tool; someone using WebMD badly, and someone can use it well.

I have found it helpful as I can ask ChatGPT questions, teach myself about what I am dealing with, and understand it better so I can ask my doctor questions. I still verify a lot, I still read articles on verified medical sites, etc., but it helps me do that a lot quicker, and I seem to learn quicker.

I'm sure someone can also go deep into anxiety with it as well if they approach it that way. It isn't a miracle button, but it is an AMAZING tool IME.

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Post by bwb »

DANmode wrote: post #175
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

It doesn’t even have to be that well-read (although it is), it just has to listen to your feedback more than 11 minutes per visit, so it can have a chance at effectively steering you…

I'm lucky to live in Europe now, I cried the first time I went to a doctor here, he chatted with me for 45 minutes. I begged my doctor in the USA to let me book back-to-back sessions, so I could ask him questions and better understand what was going on. He said no; I only had 10 minutes, and he generally didn't have time to answer any questions or provide details. He was a good doc, but just couldn't take the time, and insurance wouldn't comp him for back to back appointments.

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Post by bwb »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #216
bwb wrote: post #12

ChatGPT has made a material difference in my ability to understand health problems, test results, and to communicate with doctors effectively. My wife and I were talking last night about how helpful it was in 2025. I hope that it continues to be good at this. I want regulators to keep an eye on this and make smart laws. I don't want it to go away, as its value is massive in my life. (One example, if you are curious:…

>my ability to understand health problems How do you know that this understanding is correct? To me, epistemologically, this is not too different from gaining your health knowledge from a homeopath or gaining your physics knowledge from a Flat Earther. You are in no position to discern the validity of your "knowledge".

It isn't a 0 or a 1; it is a spectrum. Doctors don't understand everything, either, which is the scary thing we don't like to realize.

What it specifically helps me to understand are things like: probable outcomes, symptoms in greater detail, as well as how they manifest in patient populations, explains it as if I was a 10/15/20 year old in detail to help me understand the basics of what might be going on, similar things in possible pharma options, general response treatments and pros/cons, etc.

I'm not using this to perform self-surgery or build a belief system :), I'm just trying to learn and understand what is going on at a better level.

Hope that helps :)

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Post by bwb »

carlosjobim wrote: post #245
bossyTeacher wrote: post #216

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>my ability to understand health problems How do you know that this understanding is correct? To me, epistemologically, this is not too different from gaining your health knowledge from a homeopath or gaining your physics knowledge from a Flat Earther. You are in no position to discern the validity of your "knowledge".

> You are in no position to discern the validity of your "knowledge". He is the only one who is in that position, because he is the only person who is inside his body. He is physically and mentally a hundred percent in the position to discern the validity of the advice.

Well said. Thank you!

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Post by bwb »

EagnaIonat wrote: post #273
hackitup7 wrote: post #260

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I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

This is the crux of the argument from the article. > get to know your members even before the first claim Basically selling your data to maximise profits from you and ensure companies don't take on a burden. You are also not protected by HIPAA using ChatGPT.

I'm in Europe btw, but yes I hope Americans get protection soon. I expect the backlash if that were to happen is enough to trigger legislative action.

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Post by bwb »

mattmanser wrote: post #276
hackitup7 wrote: post #260

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I've had a similar positive experience and I'm really surprised at the cynicism here. You have a system that is good at reading tons of literature and synthesizing it, which then applies basic logic. What exactly do the cynics think that doctors do? I don't use LLMs as the final say, but I do find them pretty useful as a positive filter / quick gut check.

Because we've all used LLMs. The make stuff up. Doctors do not make stuff up. They agree with you. Almost all the time. If you ask an AI whether you have in fact been infected by a werewolf bite, they're going to try and find a way to say yes.

Doctors make stuff up all the time; they might deeply believe they are not, but they are detectives trying to figure out what is going on in a complex system.

AI is a tool that can be useful in this process.

Also, our current medical science is primitive. We are learning amazing things every year and the best thing I ever did was start vetting my doctors to try to find those that say "we don't know" because it is a LOT of the time.

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Post by bwb »

DrammBA wrote: post #174
bwb wrote: post #164

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The trainer was a godsend, got me to ~95% pain-free, and taught me all kinds of things. He is amazing. But 2025 was maybe down to 90% pain-free, and I want to get stronger. So I did a big rewrite of my entire workout plan and checked everything. AI wasn't perfect, but it was amazing when you already know some. It is still a tool I had to direct, and it took a few days of work. But I'm amazed at where it got me to. It…

Without getting into your specific injury or sport, what was the biggest change compared to the trainer’s program? Was it something unexpected like "exercise this seemingly unrelated muscle group that has nothing do with your injury but just happens to reduce pain by 75% for some inexplicable reason"? Or was it something more mundane like "instead of exercising this muscle every day, do it every other day to give it…

Good question!

I'm not entirely sure, but here is my educated guess.

The biggest change was that I spent a lot of time vetting each exercise for my specific injury points and asking whether this was really the best way to work that muscle group. I ended up replacing 60% of the workout with new exercises that allow me to lift more weight or target different muscle groups, while taking pressure off those injury points.

I think I had grown to use more weight with a few exercises that, on paper, shouldn't cause a problem, but were causing more stress on my injury and the supporting muscles. I found ways to isolate those muscles without putting as much tension on that area. I also added more core-strength exercises, including some for the hip flexors, which might be helping support as well. I was likely doing planks for too long, and switched to hardstyle, etc.

Last year, I was pain-free 90% of the year, and most years I run around 95% to 98%. Last year just felt different, and the rehab wasn't working the way it was. Since switching to this workout about 8 weeks ago I've been 100% pain free in a way that is hard to describe. My back has just felt light and happy, I can jump up on boxes and back down with no worries.

This is on the back of 10 years of rehab, 10 years of education, 10 years of learning about my injury and body, etc. AI is not some magic button to all the people who might jump on this thread :), it's a tool, and I want to stress that. But I've tried to do this in years past, and I couldn't do it. This was a game-changer. I tred with ChatGPT3 and it was useless at the time as well.

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Post by well_ackshually »

basket_horse wrote: post #248
bossyTeacher wrote: post #218

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>the effort on their end was almost exclusively on technical and cultural fit interviews How could you possibly know if they use other undisclosed methods as part of the recruitment? You are assuming Palatir would behave ethically. Palantir, the company that will never win awards based on ethics

You’re over thinking it. Like all top tech companies, they just want the best engineers.

Ah yes, Palantir is "just" a tech company.

Notwithstanding the fact that tech companies hire dogshit employees all the time and the vast majority of employees of any company of size 1000+ are average at best, Palantir happens to be rating so high on the scale of evil that I'd pop champagne if it got nuked tomorrow.

If any company would do it, it would be Palantir.

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Post by carlosjobim »

nrb wrote: post #268
carlosjobim wrote: post #246

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Money is imaginary. Health is health. Sacrificing your health and your life in order to hedge against a completely hypothetical situation is not a dignified existence. Bankruptcy is of course much preferable to not having your health. Even having to argue this is bizarre. We are not human batteries in the Matrix. Our purpose is not to please institutions or destroy our own lives for fear of hypothetical situations. D…

Health is imaginary, life is imaginary, this is all imaginary. There’s no point in drawing an arbitrary line in the sand for what our purpose is or lecturing us on what we should be focusing on. We have seen, again and again, business encroach on our quality of life and it does warrant skepticism and alertness about their motivations.

What are you even saying? You are outright denying reality it seems. Health and life are not imaginary. They are as real as it gets.
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