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Re: Shut up and play nice: How the Western world is limiting free speech

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Post by _delirium » Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 1:27 AM UTC

white_devil wrote: post #260

_delirium wrote: post #232

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Weirdly, I was just in Finland two weeks ago, and the first person who randomly approached me and my Finnish friend in a bar in Turku was some drunk guy ranting about immigrants, who wouldn't leave us alone! We thought pretending neither of us could speak Finnish would solve the problem, but it didn't. My friend enjoyed provoking him in English while pretending not to be Finnish, though. They had some kind of argumen…

You know, the word "immigrant" (="maahanmuuttaja" in Finnish) has basically become code for " Somali immigrant". If someone is complaining about immigrants, he means Somalis, and yes, he has good reason to complain.

From what I can find, there are very few Somali immigrants in Finland. Approximately 10,000, so about 0.2% of the population. How is this a problem?

In addition, the statistics indicate that Somalis are crime victims much more often than they're perpetrators, mostly due to the high prevalence of hate crimes perpetrated by young white men. See: http://www.poliisiammattikorkeakoulu.fi/poliisi/poliisioppil...

Re: Shut up and play nice: How the Western world is limiting free speech

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Post by white_devil » Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 12:05 PM UTC

_delirium wrote: post #281

white_devil wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, the word "immigrant" (="maahanmuuttaja" in Finnish) has basically become code for " Somali immigrant". If someone is complaining about immigrants, he means Somalis, and yes, he has good reason to complain.

From what I can find, there are very few Somali immigrants in Finland. Approximately 10,000, so about 0.2% of the population. How is this a problem? In addition, the statistics indicate that Somalis are crime victims much more often than they're perpetrators, mostly due to the high prevalence of hate crimes perpetrated by young white men. See: http://www.poliisiammattikorkeakoulu.fi/poliisi/poliisioppil...

Without reading too far into that, it looks like total bullshit. The central theme seems to be "hate crimes".. What the fuck is a "hate crime", exactly? Why are Finnish policemen lectured about "hate crime" in English?

This looks like government propaganda, basically. Sure, some Finns are genuinely racist, but the overwhelming majority of people here are very tolerant and sensitive about "offending" any immigrant group (as long as they're black, of course).

Before you shout at me for being racist, take a look at my conversation with potatolicious: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4654794

Quite frankly, the article you linked to looks disgusting to me. Like some "perception shaping campaign" with the aim of sensitivizing the police force to "hate crime".

All this hysteria about "racism", defined roughly as: "pointing out any facets of reality that reflect negatively on any non-white (preferably black) people", could well be meant to stifle freedom of speech. It's working too, because most sheeple in Finland are very strict about not saying anything negative about Somalis, for example, even though there's good reason to.

Re: Shut up and play nice: How the Western world is limiting free speech

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Post by anon2012_786 » Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 7:22 AM UTC

mcantelon wrote: post #219

snambi wrote: post #202

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btw, many of the arab mathematics "innovation" is simply copied from India. Since, Europe found those through arabs, they were named as "arab" innovation. If they were so advanced 1000s of years ago, how come there is no one coming out of it now?

Adopting your line of thinking: if India, as you claim, is the originator of all this knowledge why is it not the current global leader of science and tech?

That is good question. While indians are excelling in science and tech, India itself is not a leader in science and tech. India was never industrialized, So, even if innovation occurs, it never becomes part of the industrial-government machinery. That is the reason, I believe, indians who are interested in innovation, leave india.

India as a nation is very young. Even, the concept of india is very young. The only connecting fabric underlying india is its spiritually, beliefs and traditions ( Hindu/Vedic traditions ). Their lifestyle is very different from industrialized west or terror based middle east. India itself has two major kinds of people, city folks who are westernized and rural folks who are relatively non-westernized. depending on who you talk, you may get a different answer.

Anyway, this is great question. You should visit india to find it by yourself. It will be a journey worth taken. :)

Re: Shut up and play nice: How the Western world is limiting free speech

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Post by illuminate » Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 6:23 PM UTC

Joeboy wrote: post #267

illuminate wrote: post #266

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/11/manchester-man-jail... "Stuart Duke, defending, said Thew had been an inpatient at a mental health unit and was still on anti-psychotic medicine, but the judge replied mental health was "not a factor". He said Thew had a longstanding dispute with Greater Manchester police over the death of his son three years ago"

I've seen that, and other similar vague wordings, but I haven't seen anything trustworthy that said why.

It's not necessarily suspicious that his local media does not care enough to investigate claims of police misconduct and interview the man's family.

http://nothingiseverlost.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/one-less-p...