Live data from Hacker News

I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

blog.matthewbrunelle.com

281–290 of 314 posts

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#281
post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about you, but every laptop I've had suffered some sort of malfunction sooner or later and I never bothered to have them serviced because it was too much of a hassle - especially seeing how a friend of mine outright battled Lenovo support over mundane things like a failing keyboard despite everything being still in warranty. Specific issues by laptop: 1. Pressure marks on screen, failing USB ports, crack…

In Australia, all of these things would be returned for a full refund under Australia Consumer Law as a major fault, there is no time limit, just expectations of a reasonable consumer .

I can’t imagine trying to sell into the Australian market if a failing power socket after seven years is cause for a full refund.

“My laptop is really slow.”

“Don’t you think the power supply socket is faulty? ”

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think new devices are primarily USB-A too? All my keyboards and mice are A, also the one I bought this year: https://perixx.com/products/periboard-535

Wow. A device in 2025 with a non-detachable USB-A cable? That sounds like a horrible design decision from both a repairability and future-proofing standpoint. My keyboard has a USB-C port on the side so you can plug in whatever cable you want, A or C, long, short, curled, braided. It even connects to my phone without dongles.

Yeah I agree a detachable cable would've been better. The keyboard itself is very good though, I'm quite happy with it!

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#283

The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…

Being able to replace the keyboard is especially wonderful because laptops are usually "region-locked". I know people who use relatively unpopular layouts relative to where they live, and it makes it harder to buy and much harder to sell their Macs.

> I know people who use relatively unpopular layouts relative to where they live

I will always loath the Mac UK keyboard layout. Wildly different than ISO and ANSI for absolutely no benefit.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#284
post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter, because the phyiscal keys themselves are literally in different places. Comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1DL1fO6Zs Note that weird abomination of a backslash key around the enter key on the US keyboard. There's no way to just map the US keyboard to the UK one.

Sure, I’m familiar with the weird UK layout.

UK is fine.

Mac UK is shit.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I’m familiar with the weird UK layout.

UK is fine. Mac UK is shit.

It’s certainly a matter of opinion. I dislike the UK layout, except on macs where it’s just about ok.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I have a 5 year old dell XPS whose battery I could both find an replace easily. That is one of the advantages of the bigger name brands, replacement parts are generally a lot easier to find.

I was in it to support the company and their goals, but the experience was a little souring.

Aren't System76 laptops just rebranded Cleo, which is why there is no design consistency?

They don't manufacture batteries and never have, I've always had mixed feelings when it comes to "supporting their goals".

I appreciate their work to get Linux working on those models, but they can't provide long term hardware support.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#287
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This curse extends to mechanical keyboards as well. There exists all sorts of fancy, beautiful and odd keycap sets... for Americans. Some times for German and French. If I get really lucky, I'll find some with a "Nordic" layout, which is an abomination that combines dk/se/no.

The solution is to get blank keycaps. Then it doesn’t matter.

I use a Dvorak-based layout on Qwerty keyboards, so in normal usage they could as well have blank keycaps.

Despite that, the Qwerty keycaps remain useful for me, because my keyboards are not programmable, so the key mapping is done by the operating system. When I have to unlock the computer with a password, after booting, the keyboard still works as Qwerty and the keycaps help me in entering the password, because nowadays I touch-type only on Dvorak, while on Qwerty I must return to hunt-and-peck, as there are many years since I stopped using Qwerty.

So only because of this password entering, I prefer to not have blank keycaps, even if I ignore them in normal usage.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK is fine. Mac UK is shit.

It’s certainly a matter of opinion. I dislike the UK layout, except on macs where it’s just about ok.

They hide # behind additional key combination, and expose §.

It's awful.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s certainly a matter of opinion. I dislike the UK layout, except on macs where it’s just about ok.

They hide # behind additional key combination, and expose §. It's awful.

# is in its proper place, if you grew up programming on a US-derived keyboard.

Some of the other changes aren’t great, I agree.

Re: I'm a laptop weirdo and that's why I like my new Framework 13

#290
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find me a new MacBook Air that’s $1000 for 2TB of storage + 32GB of RAM, because that’s what I paid for my Framework 13 brand new (before RAM insanity, but this would still only cost about $1200 today). A $50 battery pack solved the battery efficiency problem. So for a little extra weight (external battery + FW13 weighs the same as a MB Pro 14”) I get a lot more actual capability in places that matters than a base Ma…

There are all sorts of other things that don't show up on a spec sheet so easily that Framework isn't competitive on. It has a diving board trackpad, significantly worse speakers, no zonal dimming on the display (comparing to MacBook Pro, which higher end specs of the Framework cost as much as), general poor body rigidity, an aggressive fan curve that ramps up audibly on short loads (the Air doesn't even have a fan a…

Trackpad isn’t as good, true. But it’s not a bad trackpad, either, and I would counter that other operating systems that aren’t macOS support external normal mice a lot better. On macOS I needed to install a separate paid program (Smooze Pro) to make the scroll wheel of an external mouse normal for gaming or other purposes. I would be very interested to try the haptic trackpad on the Lenovo ThinkPad X9 15 Aura Edition.

macOS assumes you’re using a trackpad to a fault, to the point where I prefer a trackpad on macOS desktop systems. That’s an operating system choice that a conspiracy theorist might tell you is Apple’s way of artificially differentiating their patent-protected trackpad hardware products. If Apple just used a normal mouse and designed the OS around it like everyone else they couldn’t sell you the advantage of their fancy trackpad, since we all know a dedicated mouse is more precise and quick, so that situation is yet another crazy expensive vendor lock-in accessory along with the Touch ID keyboard. Over $300 if you buy both for your desk setup!

Also remember that this is a laptop for programming…how often am I using my mouse?

Worse speakers, this is true, though it’s improved by installing Easy Effects and running a Framework profile. I use my AirPods Pro 3 on the Framework and they work great with it. MacBook speakers sound really good but they are still laptop speakers.

I don’t agree that the Framework body rigidity is poor. Do you own one or are you just assuming it’s poor? It’s very comparable to a MacBook, the screen has slightly more flex but the keyboard deck and core system is almost identically rigid.

Zonal dimming is only available on the MacBook Pro models that cost $600 more than my Framework, which doesn’t include the cost of upgrading them to equivalent 2TB/32GB configuration. So realistically, for my needs I would have had to spend double to get zonal dimming, which doesn’t benefit my programming work at all, though it would presumably benefit gaming. But gaming is my secondary use case.

Also, if Framework ever makes a micro-LED screen in the future, I’ll be able to replace it for a very reasonable cost. They have already released a display upgrade and surely will upgrade it again in the future as more panels become available.

You can customize the fan curve of a Framework! But the fan noise was never a consideration of mine. I’m not an audio producer.

https://github.com/TamtamHero/fw-fanctrl

You’re saying I’m constantly burdened by this computer but you’re not really considering how I’m using the laptop. I don’t care much for HDR content and barely watch television, fan noise hasn’t been an issue, this laptop is almost a full pound less heavy than my previous 14” MacBook Pro and almost identical in weight to a MacBook Air, so I don’t understand how picking it up is a worse experience.

You didn’t even mention the weak webcam on the Framework! It sucks! But I don’t use it, just like I didn’t use my MacBook webcam. I’m a programmer remember? I don’t go on camera. That’s for sales bros. FaceTime on iPhone is better than the MacBook anyway.

Post reply on HN