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iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

deaux wrote: post #279
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #278

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I mean, they're not entirely wrong, but it's actually the lack of a capital markets union that causes the issues here. So in fact, this is a case where the answer is more EU (specifically, a better set of cross-country capital markets). Depressingly, the obvious place to build this is no longer in the EU.

They're wrong in everything but a meaningless "well technically" sense. People spouting "EU regulations strangle business" nonsense are never talking about the lack of capital markets union. Let alone in a thread about "iOS 26.3 brings AirPods-like pairing to third-party devices in EU under DMA". > So in fact, this is a case where the answer is more EU (specifically, a better set of cross-country capital markets). Ca…

> Can you give me a set of non-EU countries with better cross-country capital markets, that are as such now instead the place to build this? Especially for a set size bigger than 3? Serious question, as I've never heard of one and am fairly sure it doesn't exist, though I'd love to be proven wrong.

This does not exist, however the EU single market is also pretty unique in terms of how many countries are involved. If you include the EEA and the customs union, it's definitely the largest.

Given that there's an obvious currency union, the capital markets thing is relatively plausible (difficult but not impossible), and I personally think it would be great.

Note that I am biased, as I live in a small EU country and our financial and insurance providers are both expensive and terrible. And obviously the EU tech industry would benefit, which would also help me.

I think the real reason this hasn't happened is hangover from the EZ crisis, as sharing risk for banks across nations was toxic in many countries as a result of the financial and EZ crises. But now seems like a good time to at least start it.

As I said above, the biggest problem here would be where to put it, and the UK's absence from the EU makes the obvious place politically a non-runner (unfortunately).

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Post by hopelite »

Y-bar wrote: post #63
hopelite wrote: post #52

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> I don’t see it as a matter of defending Apple, it’s really a matter of technical understanding and competence. So do I. And my >20 years in the business gives me the experience and knowledge to see through Apple’s FUD. > […] but also wanting to benefit from all the work and focus that went into creating it, is understandable to me. It is my device. I paid for it. If Apple thinks they deserve more money for what the…

You had me convinced that you were a self-absorbed narcissist at “it is my device” without any self-awareness about the fact that it is your device that you purchased as it is, under those conditions; not some fantastical conditions you imagined you should have.

But you really just emphasized it with the AfD nonsense, as if everyone in the world cares about your little provincial political obsessions. “Eeek, the eradicated Italian ideology of 80+ years ago that I have been conditioned with basic Pavlovian techniques to hate to control my mind is coming for me”. Ever hear of the book 1984 and the purpose of Emmanuel Goldstein? You seem to have totally missed that they used that very same technique on you, they just templated a different event on your little mind.

Are the commission popularly elected? No they are not, child. But do explain your narcissistic rationalization for how being not elected by the relevant populace makes calling them unelected nonsense. You can’t.

Why are you so fixated on running interference for what amounts to being a cult? Do you personally benefit financially from it or something? Nothing else makes any rational, sane sense. At least if you financially benefit from your own subjugation to unelected tyrannical despots in the commission and the council, at least you can say you are corrupted, greedy, and unprincipled… if you have the confidence and character to admit it.

But you lack the most fundamental understanding of how the EU and government, let alone different systems work or are suppressed to work, so I am not sure that your statements allow for any other conclusion than that you are deluding yourself either intentionally or in some belief that you can fool or gaslight me and others.

Besides, let’s have you put on your own thinking cap for a second. Take off the mind control cap for a minute and put your thinking cap on. Ready? Do you think it is smart for the same commission that originates imaginary “legislation” that the parliament votes on like any other dictatorial system’s apparatchiks do, should also be the body overseeing the implementation of that law? It breaks the most fundamental and major human advancement in governance produced by separating powers through the Constitution. You said people should be educated. Forget government education for a second, you seem to lack the ability to think at all. Do you not understand the danger of the legislative also being the executive? It’s basically just a novel form of aristocracy you are defending, a regression, total conflict of interest in abusing power … which they aren’t even elected to.

What has been done to your mind and all of Europe is commonly called a bait and switch, also known as coercive control in basic abuse patterns of toxic relationships.

You’re quite literally just a textbook abused person rationalizing and excusing the behaviors and actions of your abusers, like someone in any other toxic relationship or a cult.

Please reconsider the harm you are doing to the world and yourself too. I get the EU told you there was candy in the windowless panel van, but you have no idea what mistake you are making and are going to make others suffer for.

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Post by hopelite »

nutjob2 wrote: post #142
hopelite wrote: post #52

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Your whole post is an ignorant, ugly and hate filled rant of little value, but I will pick out this one trope: > Not the EU and its blob of unelected bureaucratic despots and unelected Commission of dictators EU haters have two complaints, that it is unelected and that it takes away sovereignty, yet it consists of the members of national governments that not only elect the various officers of the EU (including the Co…

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Post by hopelite »

tclancy wrote: post #73
hopelite wrote: post #52

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> Frankly, I wish Apple had the non-binary balls to simply just cut off all iPhones in Europe rather than bend to EU despot dictates Perhaps you should come back when you’re less emotional. Suggesting incredibly poor value for shareholder decision while also being hateful (non-binary balls, indeed) is showing the whole ass. Never go whole ass.

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Post by hopelite »

llmslave2 wrote: post #76
hopelite wrote: post #52

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You're getting downvoted but it's absolutely true that people simply don't want to (or are incapable) of considering second and third order effects that arise from applying interventions on systems that they do not understand.

HN should really just do away with the down/negative voting or at the least only use it for order sorting, not “points”. The point-punishment only enables abusive and toxic people and behaviors.

I for one believe every human has equal worth and right to speak whatever they want. It may not be relevant, important, smart, or even benevolent; but I still think they should be allowed to say it and even more importantly those who choose to, should be afforded the ability to see/read/hear it. Everything else is just authoritarian, even if it’s just some narcissist who believes HE/SHE is the authority over someone else.

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Post by layer8 »

isodev wrote: post #5

It’s fascinating the kind of cool features we can have when products are made to be useful, with their target user in mind. Go EU!

Hopefully third-party devices will actually implement what is necessary to take advantage of it. Being limited to the EU market, it’s not clear if it will happen much.

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Post by layer8 »

miohtama wrote: post #243
alextingle wrote: post #240

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Apple giving themselves an advantage in the markets for headphones and watches, because they have a dominant position in the market for phones is a textbook case of monopoly abuse. They've done extra work to cripple competing devices. It's obnoxious.

Apple market share is 10% in the EU. Hardly a monopoly.

Abusing one’s market position doesn’t require a monopoly, being a major player is enough.

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Post by nutjob2 »

tt24 wrote: post #167
hopelite wrote: post #52

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Your comment is absolutely spot on, no notes. Wish your attitude was more popular and prevalent around here. My guess is that before 2017 or so it used to be.

Posting right wing flavored hate filled rants is actually a more recent thing here and becoming more prevalent. It's slowly poisioning this site.

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Post by hu3 »

WA wrote: post #268
rock_artist wrote: post #238

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I live in the EU and now traveling my family outside the EU. Today I’ve tried updating AltStore but it won’t let me. Even VPNing to my home won’t do it. So until there will be more incentive to make it globally, the UX is intentionally crippled not only by making the minimal viable but also by region locking. Imagine pairing headphones working great in EU and then you’re traveling somewhere and it’s broken.

This is the future of the internet. More and more countries have their local laws and international companies need to comply with local laws. This has been the case forever for companies selling products and (physical) services and some digital services restricting music and movie rights in certain countries, but it will expand to more and more services and apps in the future.

"Local laws" is quite the loaded term when your parent commenter's anecdote is about EU which currently encompasses 27 countries.

And when "comply with local laws" means "unbrick bluetooth pairing for third-party devices" then a company in good faith could just, you know, not brick the functionality in the first place. There's no law against products that "just work".

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Post by morshu9001 »

big_toast wrote: post #225
morshu9001 wrote: post #161

Apple removed the headphone jack to sell AirPods. This was always one of the dirty little details: You could buy non-Apple BT headphones, but they weren't able to work the same way.

I've had no trouble using corded headphones with my iphones (either via an adapter or e.g. the $20 usb-c earpods). In fact, it seems like people using corded headphones is a news cycle[1] every 6 months. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2025/dec/19/bluetooth-wi...

The adapter is annoying enough that very few people bother, and Apple knew it. It's also a bit flaky. Sometimes my phone doesn't detect it at first, or an inline mic doesn't work.
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