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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by vulcan01 »

ghaff wrote: post #237
vulcan01 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This depends on the country. In certain countries, speed limits are set by civil engineers as a true upper limit that one is not supposed to exceed. In others, speed limits are set slightly above the average speed one is expected to drive at. In the former sort of country, drivers are expected to use their judgement and often drive slower than the limit. In the latter sort of country, driving at the speed limit is ra…

The problem I have with the whole "licensing standards" thing is that, for everyday activities for most of the population, it's not realistic to regulate to the point that there are really substantial barriers to entry to the degree there are for flying in general. And experience probably counts for more than making people shell out a couple thousand more for courses.

The usual argument in favor of stricter licensing is coupled with improvement in public transit.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by jagoff »

craftkiller wrote: post #228
Alcor wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not dumb, it’s accounting for real world variance in car speedometer accuracy and possible inaccuracies in the measurement process, just because your car is telling you you went 98 or the speed camera is telling you you went 101 doesn’t mean that was the actual speed of your car at the moment.

Speed limits are limits, not targets. That's why they're called speed *limits*. You account for variance in the speedometer and the reading device by staying under the limit, not treating it as a target.

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by SonnyTark »

As an indie game developer the idiots who made this decision do not represent us and are completely detached from actual game production over the last 3 years.

For those who might care, we use generative AI as much as possible in every way possible without compromising our vision, this includes sound, art, animation, and programming. These are often edited or entirely redone (effectively placeholders). It's part of the process, similar to using procedural art generation tools like geometry nodes in Blender or fluid sim particles generators.

And btw, both UE5 and Unity now have gen AI features (and addons) that all developers can and will use.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by [deleted] »

Verdex wrote: post #280

My objection to LLMs is the same that I had for TDD. There's all these people saying that you just gotta try it, but when I do, the effect is lesser than just using my preexisting skills. Oh, it's not for you? Wrong, here's some tautological or contradictory or poetic or nonsensical advice that'll be 'the wrong way' a week from now. Does TDD and LLMs have a kernel of utility in them, yeah, I don't see why not. But wh…

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Post by ffsm8 »

kibwen wrote: post #265
kryptiskt wrote: post #240

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That was probably The Game Awards[0], which is a big deal. I guess whoever is behind Indie Game Awards sees the name confusion as a feature rather than a bug. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2025

I'm not trying to defend "The Indie Game Awards", which I also have never heard of, but The Game Awards are universally acknowledged to be a joke, and always have been. By runtime, it's 80% soulless, samey trailers for AAA games, 10% Imagine Dragons, 5% rooting for that coked-up clarinet player on the edge of the orchestra, and 5% Jeff Keighley rapid-firing off the winners of made-up award categories in under five se…

There was no judgement in his comment.

He just pointed out (correctly) that the game awards that were being spoken of everywhere for the last few weeks were not the one related to this article.

I on the other hand will add a judgement to this discussion: if you consider the game awards a joke, which is the by far most watched event in gaming, eclipsing (by viewer count) other entertainment events in sports such as the NBA finals... You've certainly got "interesting" opinions.

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Post by avaer »

We should probably strip the Indie Game Awards of their awards show because the accountant used ChatGPT.

If they want to ban AI from their show that is their perogative, but considering that every nominee probably used AI somewhere (I'd bet money on this), this feels like blatantly dishonest posturing.

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Post by spankibalt »

> "Generating placeholder assets is completely acceptable, etc."

Not if it's against the rule. They got caught with skidmarks. And while the "Ackshually, those skidmarks are just placeholders"-defense may elicit a few cheap laughs, it doesn't matter if you follow the rule to its logical conclusion. Any possible deception in such cases comes on top of it. As it always has; that doesn't change just because you found a new plaything (LLMs) in the box.

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Post by itishappy »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #269
itishappy wrote: post #248

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Is this actually a problem? Is there anybody actually arguing against line smoothing algorithms?

That’s the point. No one cares about line smoothing algorithms but they lose their mind if it’s background textures or throwaway voice lines.

They're not equivalent...

> technically gen AI but have non of the ethical issues

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Post by [deleted] »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #267
itishappy wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually a problem? Is there anybody actually arguing against line smoothing algorithms?

I don't know! I guess we'll have to wait for next year's Indie Game awards to see which prizes they retract that time and why. This is dumb.

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