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GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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> Not sure if the big manufacturers would want to depend on a proprietary Google OS. They already do; Google's flavour of Android adds plenty of proprietary components on top of AOSP.

They depend on the Play Service and Play Store, that's for sure. But I'm pretty sure they know it's a risk already. Don't get me wrong: they are locked-in, that's a fact. And to be fair they benefit from all the work of Google on the OS. But that's not a reason to desire to go further and lose even more control.

What exactly are they going to do? Support GNU/Linux?

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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For me the bank app was working, but the electric scooter app didn't and that was it for me :( Damn e-scooters, can't live without them. But I still haven't contacted the support to ask them to verify phones in another way.

Be sure to leave them a one-star review, and maybe name them here so others can do the same. Anyone who does that sort of crap deserves at least that tiny bit of punishment for it.

You cant rate it without google play app playstore lol

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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As a LineageOS user, I'd be interested in the disparity between GrapheneOS and LineageOS.

GrapheneOS is a locked-down, security-hardened system that's good if you need absolutely maximal security (e.g. journalists, activists, folks targeted by state actors). LineageOS is a more of an open system for tinkerers who want to play outside Google's walled garden. You can have root to control your own device on Lineage, but not Graphene.

It's not really locked down. You can toggle or enable some of the more activist-orientated features. The only limitation I'm aware of is that some apps requiring the strongest Play Integrity setting (ChatGPT, some banks, very few airline apps) just won't work on GrapheneOS.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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> Google for one updates their devices for 7 years since Pixel 6 Pixel 8 https://endoflife.date/pixel

If I don't misunderstand you, you're suggesting the Pixel 8 line is shown red/discontinued? If that's it, you're probably on a mobile browser which might cut off right after the Discontinued column. The table goes on next to that where you'll see that all Pixels since 6 are currently still supported. Pixel 8 line: > Ends in 4 years and 10 months (01 Oct 2030)

You misunderstood. He’s saying that Google provides 7 years of device updates only for the Pixel 8 and later. That’s true: Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 only get 5 years of updates.

Pixel 7:

> Ends in 1 year and 10 months (01 Oct 2027)

Pixel 6:

> Ends in 10 months (01 Oct 2026)

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Why was it that in the early PC days, IBM was unable to keep a lid on 'IBM compatible', allowing for the PC interoperability explosion, yet today, almost every phone has closed drivers, closed and locked bootloaders, and almost complete corporate control over our devices? Why are there not yet a plethora of phones on the market that allow anyone to install their OS of choice?

> Why are there not yet a plethora of phones on the market that allow anyone to install their OS of choice?

Here you go: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.com/product-category/pinephone/

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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If I don't misunderstand you, you're suggesting the Pixel 8 line is shown red/discontinued? If that's it, you're probably on a mobile browser which might cut off right after the Discontinued column. The table goes on next to that where you'll see that all Pixels since 6 are currently still supported. Pixel 8 line: > Ends in 4 years and 10 months (01 Oct 2030)

You misunderstood. He’s saying that Google provides 7 years of device updates only for the Pixel 8 and later. That’s true: Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 only get 5 years of updates. Pixel 7: > Ends in 1 year and 10 months (01 Oct 2027) Pixel 6: > Ends in 10 months (01 Oct 2026)

Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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https://tbot.substack.com/p/grapheneos-new-oem-partnership > GrapheneOS has officially confirmed a major new hardware partnership—one that marks the end of its long-standing Pixel exclusivity. According to the team, work with a major Android OEM began in June and is now moving toward the development of a next-generation smartphone built to meet GrapheneOS’ strict privacy and security standards.

Oh that's one of the best news in the smartphone world in a long time. It's impossible to escape the Apple/Google duopoly but at least GrapheneOS makes the most out of Android regarding privacy. I still wish we could get some kind of low resource, stable and mature Android clone instead of Google needlessly increasing complexity but this will over time break app compatibility (Google will make sure of it) Edit: I do…

Even if google breaks compatibility, still using some compatibillity mode it's possible to run such apps right ?

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Oh that's one of the best news in the smartphone world in a long time. It's impossible to escape the Apple/Google duopoly but at least GrapheneOS makes the most out of Android regarding privacy. I still wish we could get some kind of low resource, stable and mature Android clone instead of Google needlessly increasing complexity but this will over time break app compatibility (Google will make sure of it) Edit: I do…

> but still I'd like to choose my hardware and software separately interoperating via standards This is why I can’t do GrapheneOS. Pixel devices do not suit my needs (& aren’t available). 2 of the big appeals for my going Android was 1) device options 2) ability to customize (appearance, apps from other sources, root access). Google has basically done everything to prevent #2 & GrapheneOS prevents #1. …This is why I…

What kind of Linux phone setup do you have, and what kind of experience has it been? I want to make the leap sometime, but not quite there yet.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Where do you think the creators will get this money from? Look at existing ones, they are cash strapped as they are, paying a million to get an app over beyond their budget, let alone 10 million

Investors. Trying to become a new competitor in an established industry often takes a large amount of capital. If you tried to create a business to compete in another industry, you'd also need to find investors or other forms of financing if you are cash strapped.

Investors are not dumb. The current duopoly is entrenched and merely asking for money to create an alternative os won't give you investment. Microsoft and Nokia among others failed big time even though they had plenty of money and competing operating systems. Investors give you money if they think you will be successful and return a multiple of that investment within a reasonable timeframe.

You need to solve the 3 player problem before you even ask for money: getting device manufacturers in even though you have no operating system, no devs and no users, getting devs even though you have no operating system, no devs, no users and no devices, getting users even though you have no device, no operating, no devs and no apps.

You need an MVP that shows promise towards all the above if you seek money.

This is like taxi on demand app business or the takeaway delivery business but with more players and with a higher minimum funds requirement. Plus the fact that unlike taxi apps or takeaway apps, choosing an operating system is a zero sum game so you are competing in the most direct way against well known and well established brands like iOs and Android who are funded by the richest companies on earth. Unlike Uber vs Lyft, where a user can install both and use both, your battlefield only has one victor. And given that other companies with more funding that you will ever see in your lifetime still failed, you have a virtually impossible task of explaining (before they even consider giving you a single cent) how you are going to be able to capture market share with your own solution to the 3 player problem.

Nokia and Microsoft only understood this right at the end: to avoid losing in the mobile os market, you need an ecosystem. Miss any of the elements and it all crumbles. Read Elop's memorable Burning Ship note on the final days of Nokia.

Re: GrapheneOS is the only Android OS providing full security patches

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Why was it that in the early PC days, IBM was unable to keep a lid on 'IBM compatible', allowing for the PC interoperability explosion, yet today, almost every phone has closed drivers, closed and locked bootloaders, and almost complete corporate control over our devices? Why are there not yet a plethora of phones on the market that allow anyone to install their OS of choice?

Well, back in the day many of the people making buying decisions were tech enthusiasts who like the idea of upgradeability, etc. Computers were quite expensive, and people didn't want to waste money on a box which can only do one thing.

Besides that, "app store" was just not feasible with tech of the day.

When vast majority of customers do not care, you can ship a locked down device.

You can buy a hackable phone, but it's a niche

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