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Is it really a surprise that the project that declared a blanket ban on LLM-generated code is also emotional and childish in other areas?
Not wanting to review and maintain code that someone didn't even bother to write themselves is childish?
But it's fine to say "this PR makes no sense to me explain it better please" and close it.
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Clearly, my distrust is based on Andrew's publicly displayed character, not an analysis of historical behavior. When you see a Chef not wash his hands after using a restroom, you should avoid eating at their restaurant, even if you have no proof they don't wash their hands in the kitchen prior to cooking. The important observation for me is that he didn't know where to draw the line, and this is regarding people he d…
Your logic doesn't really pan out here, as Zig is a fully open source project (so any backdoor would be out there for eyes to see) and so far there have been primarily good things said about it. Similarly Linus Torvalds was pretty "toxic" for years, and it never affected the quality of the Linux project negatively. And Linux essentially runs the world of tech.
I don't defend Linus either, but I don't consider him calling someone a monkey or dehumanizing people either. If he has, please send me the lkml archives, I've been on the fence with going full on Apple anyways :)
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Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.
Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.
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Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?
Code of Conduct cannot stop someone from doing something. It’s just a document. However, in this case, the presence of the code of conduct has made it trivially easy to point out the language as wrong in a way whoever wrote this for Zig cannot refute. It’s working exactly as it should.
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> I agree that the writing in the blog post is more colorful than precise, but sanitizing every bit of expression dulls the internet. Humans invented language for a reason. Where do you draw the line, then? Is a racist screed acceptable to you as long as the following paragraph references technical issues correctly? The language in the blog post is insulting. Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrot…
Would you perhaps have preferred if they referred to it as "unprofessional" or "sloppy" instead alluding of monkeys? To me all those mean the same thing, except the latter is more flavorful and makes my eyes less likely to glaze over. > Imagine how you would feel if you were the person who wrote this code, and now you are being called a monkey in front of thousands of people on the internet. Er.. so? Why should anyon…
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I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.
I'm sure getting called a monkey will stop them from ever making a mistake again.
You own the code, you decide where you want to host it. If anyone knows, I'm looking for copyrighted code to deploy my own cloned service to make some money, DM.
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You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.
I think it's a breath of fresh air. Don't want to be called out like this then stop fucking up.
These are people for God's sake. Empathy!
> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
This reminds me of when Linus Torvalds would lose his shit now and then and launch gratuitous personal attacks at people who had made mistakes. Comment sections would be filled with folks laughing at Linus’ latest victim. “Couldn’t be me, I would never make this mistake”. Even Linus admits he was wrong to treat people this way and he’s taken time off to work on himself and become a better person. But there is still no shortage of people who enjoy seeing pain inflicted on others, nor people larping as a younger Linus.
> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…
I agree that he came out blasting, and the language and tone, particularly at the beginning are pretty off-putting. That being said, having read the full post, I can't say I disagree with the motives and point of view.
IT at higher ranks is about people. This post disqualifies Zig as an org.