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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by pessimizer »

PeterStuer wrote: post #161
petcat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by einpoklum »

Let us remember what this is about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUkfmnCR7U

the scale of destruction in Gaza is horrendous: Its dense cities reduced to rubble, as though after a nuclear strike. The death toll is not yet known. the lower bound - the number of bodies counted by the ministry of health - is at around 69,000, while the Lancet estimated over 186,000 (and that was over a year ago), or nearly 7.9% of the entire population of the Gaza strip. Around 90% of the deaths are civilians (though estimates vary on that point as well).

The US has been participating in this operation, with funding, provisions of services, equipment and most of the weapons platforms, armament and ordnance, diplomatic backing, and even military presence of aircraft carriers and other forces. US tech companies have sold Israel cloud services and various computing solutions; US military, auto and other industries are in on the action as well.

Now we see the US and some of its corporations flexing the imperial muscle to try and deter international institutions for holding Israel accountable.

The ICC has tried several political leaders before, and even convicted and jailed some, but - they were not important enough to US' strategic interests (or if you like, the interests of the donors and backers of the political elite), so the US did not have any such qualms.

Having said all this - it is interesting to note the article does not mention the judge's accounts with Google or Microsoft, e.g. for email or office app services. I wonder if he has any, and whether those have been excepted or whether it's a different story.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by hn_acker »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #256
vincvinc wrote: post #241

"All his accounts with US companies such as Amazon, Airbnb, or PayPal were immediately closed by the providers. Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France." How is this legal / OK?

Pretty much all companies only offer accounts without any guarantees, that can be realistically closed on a whim without any mandatory notice period. The only exceptions are the high end enterprise accounts.

Companies can voluntarily close accounts for almost any reason or no reason. The US government needs a legal justification for forcing companies to close an account.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by beej71 »

KK7NIL wrote: post #246
general1465 wrote: post #238

The more USA is going to use this leaver, the likely they will make this leaver useless in the future. Like with China, when they overused chips leaver which stunted China for a while, but eventually gave them a way to establish their own chip industry. Now that leaver is becoming effectively useless. It will ends up same with EU.

The best China has is an internationally uncompetitive "7nm" fab and that's the best they'll have until they can manufacture EUV machines domestically. So the EUV blockade has absolutely been effective and the fact that the PRC is paying so many shills to convince westerners otherwise just shows how behind they are.

> that's the best they'll have until they can manufacture EUV machines domestically.

And how far out is that?

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by jatsek »

vkou wrote: post #252
vincvinc wrote: post #241

"All his accounts with US companies such as Amazon, Airbnb, or PayPal were immediately closed by the providers. Online bookings, such as through Expedia, are immediately canceled, even if they concern hotels in France." How is this legal / OK?

A US company is free to cut off service to whatever foreigner it wants, just like a foreign country is free to ban whatever US firm it wants from operating in it.

Please look up what happened to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras or Costa Rica when they tried banning whatever US firm they wanted.

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Post by wang_li »

embedding-shape wrote: post #191
wang_li wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Romania shares a border with Ukraine and is a member of both NATO and the EU.

Indeed, and how far would you wager it is between the border of Ukraine Romania and Ukraine Russia, at the shortest point? I'd wager around a lot longer than US Cuba.

I imagine the shortest path Russia->Ukraine->EU Members Romania/Hungary/Slovakia/Poland is far shorter than the shortest path Russia->Cuba->Any US State or territory.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by anthem2025 »

hardlianotion wrote: post #54
petcat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

It’s kind of hard to see how much more support the US could withdraw from Ukraine, judging by the last article I read that gave Ukraine until Thursday to accept the latest peace deal negotiated between USA and Russia. If we are in the world you describe, EU might as well do as it wants - its downside has been capped.

“Peace deal”

The latest demand for Ukraine to just completely surrender.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by wat10000 »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #217
wat10000 wrote: post #180

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The war might end in Ukraine being flattened by Russian nuclear weapons if that happened. Putin would be backed into a corner. End the invasion after suffering a nuclear strike (or just the threat of one) and he'll risk being deposed and meet a gruesome end. Retaliate overwhelmingly and risk escalation from other nuclear powers. It's not clear to me that the second risk would be worse, and definitely not clear to me…

>Putin would be backed into a corner. He'd be backed into the door marked "exit". There is no corner to trap him here. >End the invasion after suffering a nuclear strike And why do you believe that Zelensky or whoever is in charge would nuke Moscow first? Do you think that, if they had say 30 nukes (plenty for a few relatively harmless demonstrations) that this would be the first target? Obviously they'd pick somethi…

I don't think Putin would have an exit. Losing the war would result in a major risk to his continued rule, and thus to his person, from a collapse of domestic support. A Ukrainian nuclear strike would present him with a choice: risk internal revolt, or risk the consequences of nuclear retaliation. I'm not remotely confident he'd choose the first. And, to be very clear, the second would make Ukraine (and likely the rest of the world) a lot worse off than they are today.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by dragonwriter »

pessimizer wrote: post #281
PeterStuer wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European I can agree with the US and China stuff. But a Russian Invasion? Seriously?

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> Russia didn't even want to be in Ukraine at all

Then it should have chosen not to invade and occupy large parts of Ukraine in 2014. And then escalate with an even bigger invasion in 2022. Not launching a war of aggression is, like, the easiest thing in the world to do.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by einpoklum »

arresin wrote: post #263

Why is the president of the United States protecting a blood soaked war criminal? It’s weird. I mean what even does he get in return for this extraordinary service for someone so undeserving? I can’t even see how it’s valuable for him. Can someone explain it?

Because that president is also soaked in some of that blood. Just in terms of ordnance alone - Israel would have run out of bombs to drop on Gaza a long time ago in the US were not supplying it with them.

On the personal/political level - Trump's largest political backers in the 2024 campaign have been: Elon Musk, Timothy Mellon, and Miriam Adelson. Musk is an avowed Zionist, Mellon I don't know about, but it is Adelson's $108 Million that come attached with the string of staunch support for Israel and its policies of death destruction and oppression.

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