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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by Oranguru »

trollbridge wrote: post #252
alickz wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also if the README is to be believed the following are also hidden behind an Apple DID (not driver): - Multi-device Connectivity - Accessibility Settings and Hearing Aid While the following are exclusive to Apple devices for market reasons: - Receive Battery Information - Set/Receive ANC Modes - Set Adaptive Audio Noise settings - Receive In-Ear detection Status - Personalized Volume (use at your own risk - might ran…

Or Apple just doesn't want to bother with the nightmare of supplying and supporting an app to do all those things on other platforms, and in particular, there are regulatory approvals around the "hearing aid" feature that would pretty much require a specific device. They have a basic app for some of their other devices like the Beats line. One other thing you simply can't do without pairing AirPods with an Apple devi…

What "other platforms" are you talking about? Just an Android app would suffice. It's not a huge deal for a company worth trillions, especially if the features are already there and they're just blocking non-Apple products. If they deliberately do that, it makes you think they don't really care about their customers and are more interested in locking people into their ecosystem.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

GrinningFool wrote: post #270
dwaite wrote: post #261

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Which of the three battery level values should be reported in the one slot Bluetooth provides?

It seems the the right answer shouldn't be "none of them" though.

So which one should it be?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

vee-kay wrote: post #101
xethos wrote: post #83

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> They introduced some BLE features before the spec was finished In their defence, they went with Lightning shortly before the USB-C spec was finalized. Then, to avoid their customers being screwed over by constantly changing the connector, they kind of had to stick with it for a decade. People will complain if they push features that are ahead of the spec, and they'll complain if they let the spec be finalized befor…

The only reason Apple ditched Lightning port and finally gave USB-C port in the iDevices, is because EU forced Apple to do so. But do you think your oh-so-common USB-C cables will work with a new iPhone? In my country (India), Apple still doesn't sell charger and cable along with its new iDevices, even though those gadgets are exorbitantly expensive. And Apple doesn't allow custom repair here, even though my country…

The higher end iPads started coming with USB C long before the EU mandate

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

binkHN wrote: post #97
xethos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They introduced some BLE features before the spec was finished In their defence, they went with Lightning shortly before the USB-C spec was finalized. Then, to avoid their customers being screwed over by constantly changing the connector, they kind of had to stick with it for a decade. People will complain if they push features that are ahead of the spec, and they'll complain if they let the spec be finalized befor…

If Apple wasn't forced by the EU, they would try to preserve their walled garden as much as possible. iMessage is the prime example of this.

Can another company federate with WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by iamkonstantin »

josteink wrote: post #167
isodev wrote: post #161

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Apple doesn’t make anything that’s “just ”. Something needs to make it very expensive and feel exclusive… Yes, you can have AirPods with noise cancellation, but you need a 1k€ iPhone to go with that.

Incorrect. AirPods noise cancellation can be controlled by holding the AirPod stalk. And that’s not an excuse or a workaround: That’s how I always do it. I’ve never bothered doing it through software on my iDevices, because that’s much more cumbersome.

I think the parent was being sarcastic, because while you can trigger some function on the AirPods themselves, a large list of features are unavailable, not documented and purposefully concealed (as the main post describes in detail). AirPods don't even report their battery life to third party devices (as normal Bluetooth accessories can)

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by bloppe »

trollbridge wrote: post #252
alickz wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also if the README is to be believed the following are also hidden behind an Apple DID (not driver): - Multi-device Connectivity - Accessibility Settings and Hearing Aid While the following are exclusive to Apple devices for market reasons: - Receive Battery Information - Set/Receive ANC Modes - Set Adaptive Audio Noise settings - Receive In-Ear detection Status - Personalized Volume (use at your own risk - might ran…

Or Apple just doesn't want to bother with the nightmare of supplying and supporting an app to do all those things on other platforms, and in particular, there are regulatory approvals around the "hearing aid" feature that would pretty much require a specific device. They have a basic app for some of their other devices like the Beats line. One other thing you simply can't do without pairing AirPods with an Apple devi…

You're commenting on a post where a random guy provides this "nightmare of supplying and supporting an app" in his spare time, except he actually has to work around Apple's malicious obfuscation and standards non-compliance, so it would actually be way easier for Apple to do it themselves.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by bloppe »

leoh wrote: post #276
neop1x wrote: post #269

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>> I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. They should be slammed by Bluetooth body and forbidden to use bluetooth technology for hurting interoperability.

Like a sumo wrestler slam??

I'm not opposed

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by mytailorisrich »

acka wrote: post #266
BoredPositron wrote: post #208

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I still don't see the illegal part. I am in VFX and have three dongles connected to use specific software packages...

Dongle-based license management or DRM isn't the same as product tying; each dongle just validates the license for the use of a piece of software. But forcing customers to only use ink cartridges from a specific brand, deliberately rejecting or invalidating third-party refill options? That is a form of product tying, and it is being deemed illegal in more and more countries.

How is Apple forcing anything with AirPods and how is it illegal?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Post by bloppe »

gjstein wrote: post #241
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #238

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They don't. I love my airpods but it's not viable to use them with anything other than my phone.

What sort of laptop/desktop do you have? I regularly use my AirPods with my Steam Deck and they work great!

Really? Even multi-device connectivity?
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