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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by chrneu »

rs186 wrote: post #23

I still can't wrap my head around why a DNS provider is required to block websites, especially one that is not associated with ISP or used as default on any device. Oversimplifying this, it's a glorified hash map, so whoever wants to take down the illegal content should just deal with the website owner?

I think a large part of it is the tech-illiteracy of world leaders.

I'd wager that a lot of the folks implementing these policies don't know the difference between a DNS server and a VPN. They think DNS=VPN, so all the hackers are using cloudflare to get around restrictions.

In general, most folks who use the internet don't know how it works and they don't want to know.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

chrneu wrote: post #279

It's wild how much stuff nowadays is people/bad actors just doing things and expecting nobody to call them out. Like, the whole patent troll "industry" is just abusing the law, hoping people don't stop them. Maybe folks should start calling eachother out?

I think because what predominates is the notion that if it makes money it is good. If it makes a lot of money, then it is very good. If it claims moral superiority, that's fine and well, but if it doesn't make as much money then it doesn't deserve to live.

If you say anything to the contrary, you are "irrational", perhaps worse.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Ms-J »

It has been said that the main reason for the attack on Archive is because Israel needs to cover up their crimes. There is too much evidence in the open.

It's the equivalent of burning a library down because books have records of the truth.

Adguard deserves the highest praise for publicizing this attack on them.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by efreak »

fsagx wrote: post #220
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

KF/SaSu/SF ?

Check other comments, this was explained here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45937453

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by cocainemonster »

zahlman wrote: post #192
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #6

Its interesting that being unable to find a legal route to dig up dirt on archive.is, they're going the route of CSAM allegations. I first heard of this technique on a discussion on Lowendtalk from a hoster discussing how pressure campaigns were orchestrated. The host used to host VMs for a customer that was not well liked but otherwise within the bounds of free speech in the US (I guess something on the order of KF/…

> gets archive.is to crawl it Does archive.is actually do any crawling? I thought they only archived pages on request.

archiving on request is still crawling, even if active, not passive

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by bogwog »

flufluflufluffy wrote: post #270
valicord wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can sue shark fins, why not a website? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately...

Amazing, here is a list of other similarly hilariously-titled “in rem jurisdiction” cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_rem_jurisdiction#Examples Some good ones: - United States v. One Solid Gold Object in Form of a Rooster - United States v. 11 1/4 Dozen Packages of Articles Labeled in Part Mrs. Moffat's Shoo-Fly Powders for Drunkenness - South Dakota v. Fifteen Impounded Cats

My favorite is United States v. One Solid Gold Object in Form of a Rooster.

The Rooster won.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

justin66 wrote: post #45
cornholio wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unlikely law enforcement would take the risk to handle CSAM just to make a case against a Russian pirate, jeopardizing their careers and freedom, when the copyright case is pretty strong already. These are the doings of one of the myriad freelance "intelectual rights enforcement agents", which are paid on success and employed by some large media organization. Another possibility is that a single aggrieved indivi…

It’s grimly hilarious that anyone in 2025 believes the police wouldn’t do something because that thing is unethical and against their own standards. > handle CSAM They wouldn’t “handle” it, they’d have some third party do their dirty work.

Andrew Bustamante has stated that the CIA "supplies" people with such material.

https://youtu.be/fu6bYPTp_kE?si=K_YKzTxy5ggKQDiG&t=2156

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by danielxt »

Ms-J wrote: post #283

It has been said that the main reason for the attack on Archive is because Israel needs to cover up their crimes. There is too much evidence in the open. It's the equivalent of burning a library down because books have records of the truth. Adguard deserves the highest praise for publicizing this attack on them.

> has been said that the main reason for the attack on Archive is because Israel

Really? interesting couldn't find anything talking about that, mind sharing a link?

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by cocainemonster »

iamnothere wrote: post #79
j-bos wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been seeing something similar on some youtube videos, endless unflagged comments advocating hatred and violence, completely unrelated to the video topic or channel.

Interesting, this may suppress reach of the video through something in the YT algorithm.

no, it's just self promotion. they instruct users to click their profile where the default video is a call to action to join a depraved discord server. you get messaged bestiality automatically once joining so sane and likeminded people get sorted quickly

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Post by Dilettante_ »

Dilettante_ wrote: post #229
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realization_(probability)

Thank you, but I seem terribly out of my depth for that level of discussion. If Claude helped me understand correctly, the error is on me for taking determinism as a base assumption and rejecting the assumption of "randomness" at a universal level? Is this something I would need to buff up on the quantum stuff to come around on? All I have in my head is Laplace's demon, all I've ever observed is deterministic events:…

Too late to edit: Learned about the Stern-Gerlach apparatus as relating to the uncertainty principle. That's a huge puzzle piece and I'm probably gonna shut up about determinism for a while as I stew on this.
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