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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by drewbug01 »

fujigawa wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #210

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None of this has anything whatsoever to do with whether "Pedro" will be there to shovel their driveway. Nobody cares about that. We all live with 100% certainty that somebody will exchange dollars for snow shoveling. The reason you hear about landscapers right now is that ICE is directly targeting them. If you're ICE, looking to meet a detention quota from whatever quadrant Oak Park is in, the easiest way to do that…

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> But this notion that roving bands of assassins are driving down the street looking for browns is likely an exaggeration (made worse by misinformation on social media).

Assassins? Nobody said that.

But my friend I can assure you they are, in fact, driving down the street and taking people who “look suspicious.”

(They also are doing more targeted things - both are true.)

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Post by testing22321 »

chasil wrote: post #278
testing22321 wrote: post #272

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ICE have the official policy that no paperwork is sufficient to prove citizenship. The only source of truth it their biometrics app https://www.404media.co/you-cant-refuse-to-be-scanned-by-ice...

That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

> That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change.

I think that is the point.

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Post by fujigawa »

speff wrote: post #233
fujigawa wrote: post #213

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Are you claiming that the detainees - assumedly primarily illegal immigrants - are taking part in the voting process and that's why the governor is "grandstanding"? That's the story I hear from certain folks and as far as I can tell, it has no merit. I'd be interested in any actual stats here.

One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago:

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-...

So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where the dead people vote?

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/2-investigators-chicago...

> In all, the analysis showed 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by abvdasker »

When this is all over and Trump has been consigned to history's dustbin, at the very least the public deserves to know the names of the individual federal agents and entire chain of command responsible for these atrocities. The people responsible for this wanton cruelty need to be charged and tried criminally for their actions. Nobody is going to forget this and I think a lot of Americans will demand justice and accountability once all is said and done.

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Post by cafard »

fujigawa wrote: post #207
tptacek wrote: post #167

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I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based…

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I am an angry old not-quite suburban white male. My household employs no servants. We mow our own lawn, we rake our own leaves.

I know a fair number of people who are US born and have what appears to be a Central American complexion. I imagine much of the HN readership can get by without income for the time it can take a citizen, or someone with perfectly legitimate immigration status, to establish his or her bona fides to ICE. Not everybody who is getting in can.

And have you looked into the big employers, not Harriet Homeowner, but the meat packing plants, to see how carefully they examine documents?

Hell, have you examined the Trump organization's record?

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Post by tptacek »

fujigawa wrote: post #283
speff wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you claiming that the detainees - assumedly primarily illegal immigrants - are taking part in the voting process and that's why the governor is "grandstanding"? That's the story I hear from certain folks and as far as I can tell, it has no merit. I'd be interested in any actual stats here.

One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-... So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where…

Yeah? What about being a sworn police officer is it that you think qualifies you to vote? Have you ever worked a shift as an EJ? Do you know how the Illinois/Cook County voting system works?

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Post by fujigawa »

cafard wrote: post #285
fujigawa wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I am an angry old not-quite suburban white male. My household employs no servants. We mow our own lawn, we rake our own leaves. I know a fair number of people who are US born and have what appears to be a Central American complexion. I imagine much of the HN readership can get by without income for the time it can take a citizen, or someone with perfectly legitimate immigration status, to establish his or her bona fi…

> And have you looked into the big employers, not Harriet Homeowner, but the meat packing plants, to see how carefully they examine documents?

The larger an employer's size, the more likely they are to do business with the federal government, which mandates the use of E-Verify.

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Post by lmz »

nullstyle wrote: post #200
pessimizer wrote: post #168

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Part of the problem with these degens is their attitude that downvotes mean they are over the target. This dude is just ignorant with, near as i can tell, asmongold on your brain and breath. His mistakes aren’t worth refuting, but I’ll give them one for free : despite the claim otherwise, it is in fact possible for Americans to go south to Mexico and live, and Mexico City is itself going through somewhat of a gentrif…

They can't just go there and live. I assume most of the gringos there are legal? Yet somehow Americans uniquely tolerate illegal border crossing and illegal overstaying. (Not American myself)

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Post by pizlonator »

miltonlost wrote: post #21
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

Did you look at the links he posted? Have you seen the news reports he linked to? This is all actually happening right now. Please, read all he linked to an watched the videos of ICE kidnapping people violently. https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/11/05/daycare-...

I think my question had exactly the effect I wanted: lots of folks chiming in to give color.

Of course I’ll read all the links! I’ve already read a lot about this!

But the first hand commentary from fellow hackers is pure gold IMO

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