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UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
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Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
An accident on takeoff means full tanks - some 38000 gallons(?) spread along the site like a napalm strike.
A particularly large amount of fuel because it was flying to Honolulu
A particularly large amount of fuel also because it was loaded with heavy cargo intended to make it all the way to Honolulu.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
The relevant bits here - deaths from all causes in the US are 22 micromorts per day. Lower in the article, airline travel is listed as 1 micromort per 1000 miles travelled. Background risk of death from non-natural causes are listed as 1.6 per day; many of those non-natural causes do not exist in an airplane cabin (e.g. you probably aren't going to be murdered because no one has anything more effective than a plastic…
> e.g. you probably aren't going to be murdered because no one has anything more effective than a plastic spork Except for the occasional murder who has access to the flight controls.
“Occasional” implies a rate at least several orders of magnitude higher than actual.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
The damage on the ground is scary to look at. I think the only silver lining here is that it was "just" a sparser industrial area and there weren't any homes. I'm really curious about what the investigation will reveal in a few months. This doesn't look like a "regular" engine fire from a bird strike or so, you would normally expect the flames to come out the back and not over the wing. And at least in theory the MD-…
Zoning guidance generally prohibits land use near an airport that has a high density of people, precisely to limit casualties during an event like this. Industrial would be permitted while residential and commercial use is not. Scarily there are communities that have ignored such logic and permitted dense residential development right next to an airport.
It's amazing that towns don't see this sort of thing and think "huh maybe it's not a good idea to put apartments right on top of an airport", but I guess they don't. Longmont is in trouble with the FAA because they OKed a bunch of apartments right at the end of Vance Brand that would be right in the path of aircraft struggling to gain altitude out of the airport. Naturally there's a vocal contingent of people around here that think this is the airport's problem and not the town or greedy developers, and that all the airports (except DIA) should be shut down.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#285the fact that stuff like this still happens (despite the relatively low probability/ incident rate) is truly mind boggling. the acceptability threshold for this need to be lower
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe wait with the judgements until the report is in? There are so many possible reasons why this could have happened that have nothing to do with the two items you listed (though it maybe that it does, it is just a bit pointless to assign blame before you know what the cause of the accident was).
Trust is hard to earn and easy to lose. It'll take a while before we look at American planes through lenses other than Boeing straight-up lying.
This aircraft was not built by Boeing.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is likely relevant https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance... TDLR 10-20 years ago, the US started allowing maintenance of domestic planes in foreign countries, outside the reach of the FAA’s inspections
The engine that fell off (!) had been worked on for two hours at Louisville, KY immediately before takeoff. Occam's Razor suggests that whatever they did right there is to blame.
Or whoever was working on it said "Wait, this plane isn't ready yet" and the people in charge said "we've waited long enough, get it on the runway".
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
> TDLR 10-20 years ago, the US started allowing maintenance of domestic planes in foreign countries, outside the reach of the FAA’s inspections Foreign Repair Stations date back to the 90s [1], the thing is they need to be supervised by an FAA Certified Mechanic. Inspection of these was already a hot issue in the early '00s... No one gave a fuck, it was all about saving costs for a very long time. The linked 2007 rep…
> IMHO, this is a perfect example why the government needs to regulate prices in safety-critical industries. The "race to the bottom" must be prevented - sorry, flying NYC-SFO for 70$, that's not sustainable. Are you saying higher prices would lead to better safety? If so, I think it's optimistic to assume that would be the result, rather than just more profits. I'm all for tighter regulations and enforcement on safe…
Super-low prices require razor-thin margins, which leads to cutting corners, which leads to worse safety.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is that actual statistic?
Airliners are hilariously safe. One of my favorite stats is that it’s the second safest form of transportation per passenger mile (elevators win).
How about per fly versus per drive? This weeds out two issues:
- Most people don't fly often enough to justify Statistics significance (I for one only flied maybe less than 10 flights in my whole life)
- One flight is going to cover a huge amount of mileage anyway
Edit: Just realized that issue 1 is not an issue, we are going to do an average here anyway, so not individual.
Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe wait with the judgements until the report is in? There are so many possible reasons why this could have happened that have nothing to do with the two items you listed (though it maybe that it does, it is just a bit pointless to assign blame before you know what the cause of the accident was).
I mean the engine is laying on the side of the runway and the plane is seen on fire trying to take off; I'm going to go out on a limb and say maintenance was somehow involved. Well-maintained planes don't do that.
This is the MD-11 we're talking about here. As bad as the 737 MAX is/was the DC-10/MD-11 is kind of well known for having all sorts of crazy problems like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232