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Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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I periodically read this ACT post to degauss my brain so I can think about these matters from a fresh perspective: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/heuristics-that-almost-alwa...

This kind of thing happens with investors... they work their butt off for years, do well, then think it's them rather than the work.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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He’s clearly right, but shares could take a really long time before they actually come back to reality.

He's not clearly right on Nvidia. People have been saying "it's clearly overvalued" for years now. And it just keeps growing at an insane pace and quite frankly their position in the market isn't really being eroded by anyone. There are hopes and dreams, but little real competition.

A good time to remember that Cisco was briefly the most valued company in the world: https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/24/technology/cisco-briefly-...

I met a traveller from an antique land, // Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone // Stand in the desert…

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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Before Burry's bets were disclosed, Palantir's trailing price-earnings ratio (P/E) peaked at 486x. What does that mean?

I like to think about it this way: Absent growth, had a private investor purchased the business at 486x earnings, it would have taken the investor 486 years to recoup the investment.

Only crazy-fast future growth could justify that multiple.

I estimate earnings/share would have to grow 30-fold within a foreseeable time frame, like 5-7 years, to justify the peak price per share.[a]

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[a] Back-of-the-envelope math: 486x peak / 15x long-term average P/E = 32-fold increase to justify valuation. I rounded it to 30-fold.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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What does Palantir actually do? I feel like every earnings discussion is vague and goes on about things like “Ontology” without sharing trustworthy details. As far as I can tell they are more like a consulting firm. Why are they not viewed like another IBM?

They are of the industry formerly known as “Big Data” or “data science.”

They think hard about how to collect and make use of, what most would describe as, grains of sand.

A common use case for their data is figuring out for a government who they should kill that week.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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What does Palantir actually do? I feel like every earnings discussion is vague and goes on about things like “Ontology” without sharing trustworthy details. As far as I can tell they are more like a consulting firm. Why are they not viewed like another IBM?

In East Germany, the Stasi had 90,000 full-time staff deciphering reports from maybe 400,000 regular informants and around 1/6th of the population as occasional informants. They used this to run a totalitarian surveillance state which abducted 250,000 supposed dissidents.

This is a horrendously inefficient system. 90,000? 400,000? In a population of 16 million? The expense! The time! The sensitivity to data irregularities! The friction which the non-dissidents must feel! This is a worse imposition than an occupying army. How many of those 250,000 were actually conspiring against the state in a meaningfully threatening way? 1/10th? 1/100th? How many actual dissidents make it through the sieve, because the security service was unable to cross-reference suspicious entries on three pages in files occupying different filing cabinets in different buildings in the complex?

The US, despite its military might, rapidly hit a manpower limit in the occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, and was largely unable to effectively fight a collection of counterinsurgencies and "sympathizers".

In the 2020's we have much greater capability to surveil. We have electronics tracking everything, we have phones that listen all the time, we have cameras at every streetcorner, data brokers know more about us than our diary does. But manually checking these things in untargeted surveillance would be almost impossible. It would take our entire population spying on ourselves.

Enter Palantir. Proposition: "We would like to explore if we could make this possible & efficient, using modern database & machine learning techniques. We will collect, categorize, transcribe and cross-reference all the data, of every type, we will generate suspicious activity reports autonomously, we will make follow-up trivial".

This was literally George Orwell's nightmare in 1984 - that looking back at the long history of repression and rebellion, the cycle of violence and freedom, of authority and abuse of authority, that perhaps at some point, eventually, technology gives so much power to the authority that it's simply impossible to overthrow them.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have and it is. But I did acknowledge that in the previous post. I just don't think software development tools like Claude Code, while great, and I wouldn't want to back to life without them, are going to recoup all this investment. We need like 10 Claude Codes for different aspects of work and life. Then we're getting somewhere...

So you’re not buying the idea that with increased productivity those tools will quickly follow?

Nothing happens as quick as greed demands.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are puts, you buy them, they have a fixed expiration date at which point they will be worthless if the price is above the strike price. Fixed down side, upside is $100 per contract per dollar the stock is below the strike at expiry. You can also sell them before then, and price depends on time to expiry, volatility, and distance to the strike price. See Black-Scholes model for more info.

Are you actually disagreeing with this? > If you're off, it could still crash and you could spend more money sustaining the position than you'd make. And in Black Scholes this is called Theta Decay. In any form of short, there are maintenance costs, and maintenance costs roughly scale with the risk-free interest rate (usually assumed to be roughly the Federal Reserve's overnight lending rate) Theta Decay is above-and…

> So you must always factor in the amount of time before a predicted crash: the longer it takes the more money you lose.

I think the idea is, as a put buyer (market taker), this has already been baked into the option premium. The only "maintenance cost" in the sense of a cost that adds to an open position is from interest on margin loans.

There would be a maintenance cost from rolling the position into a later expiry, but I think the impression is that this is a precise single bet.

EDIT: You're spot on about opening a position being a sort of cost too, due to missing out on risk-free returns. This is especially important for hedging. Less so for a directional bet.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

#289

He’s clearly right, but shares could take a really long time before they actually come back to reality.

He's not clearly right on Nvidia. People have been saying "it's clearly overvalued" for years now. And it just keeps growing at an insane pace and quite frankly their position in the market isn't really being eroded by anyone. There are hopes and dreams, but little real competition.

How short-term of a thinker do you have to be to consider Nvidia's run a long time? I blame TikTok.

Re: Michael Burry a.k.a. "Big Short",discloses $1.1B bet against Nvidia&Palantir

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not clearly right on Nvidia. People have been saying "it's clearly overvalued" for years now. And it just keeps growing at an insane pace and quite frankly their position in the market isn't really being eroded by anyone. There are hopes and dreams, but little real competition.

Especially if you take the view that AI is the new compute. There so many chips that need to get upgraded Thats maybe one of the largest TAMs of all time that hasn't even been touched at this point.

And Nvidia is going to own the whole thing, forever?
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