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Post by ozmodiar »

cool_man_bob wrote: post #235
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #211

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We now know why people had such weird makeup/facial modification attachments in dystopian sci-fi. Luckily we have libertarians, 1990s Republicans, and Hannity and Infowars fans that will fight vehemently to stop this sort of face scanning. It is all of theirs' nightmare scenarios way past all their red lines up there with Walmarts turned into relocation camps. But until they sort it out is it possible to make tempora…

Libertarians and 90s republican are about as politically impotent as the democrats these days. The Hannity and Infowars fans will be written off as crazy when no longer useful.

I'm assuming the joke is that what remains of them seem to be entirely on board with this.

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mindslight wrote: post #112
xeonmc wrote: post #101

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This reality feels like someone had their monkey paw wish granted. “I wish I could play Wolfenstein in real life.”

In Wolfenstein, the main character shot Nazi soldiers. It was made back when we had shared societal values like fascism is bad. Today, such a game would be called a product of tHe rAdIcAl lEfT.

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Post by _yb2s »

pohl wrote: post #142
_yb2s wrote: post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

I stopped hearing claims that it was about illegal immigration almost instantly after the debate where he claimed “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.” It was eerie.

That dehumanizing rhetoric is so weird and surreal, it boggles my mind that it seems to actually work... there was a horrific video on Facebook of the Wilder raid in Idaho, and many people were basically commenting things like "this isn't great, but it's really our only choice because these people are killing so many of us." We're talking just a regular peaceful small farming town where people were out watching a horse race with their families- people that were mostly US citizens of Hispanic descent. Obviously none of them are killing anyone, it's completely absurd.

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Post by dmitrygr »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #272
dmitrygr wrote: post #245

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The case I cited specifically talked about government doing it.

For facial recognition or just plain photography? Obviously Katz predates the former.

Katz jut said "what a person knowingly exposes to the public" IIRC. We'd need a new SCOTUS case to clarify whether data derived from physical features that can be used to identify you still counts as such

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Post by FireBeyond »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #239
JohnMakin wrote: post #219

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I'm not sure what documents you think entail getting a REAL ID but they are typically proof of permanent residence, such as US passport, birth certificate, or green card. Its requirements are actually stricter than what entails getting a passport, because you also have to prove you actually live in the state you're applying in. As for the rest of your post, I don't really know what you're babbling about has to do wit…

I checked the State of California website for REAL ID eligibility before I wrote my above comment, and it confirms that people with temporary legal immigration status are eligible for REAL ID cards, specifically mentioning DACA recipients as an example of a category of people who are eligible. This is exactly the sort of thing I think should not be allowed by the federal framework governing REAL IDs, non-permanent re…

California is an outlier here. I am a permanent resident in Washington and Washington will only issue REAL ID-compliant Enhanced Drivers Licenses to US citizens, not to LPRs.

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Post by clawr »

lawn wrote: post #186
fabian2k wrote: post #24

The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

> the person is an alien The dehumanizing language is absolutely disgusting and it's use is an important milestone towards genocide.

Alien has been the legal term since the beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

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Post by cosmicgadget »

dmitrygr wrote: post #284
cosmicgadget wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For facial recognition or just plain photography? Obviously Katz predates the former.

Katz jut said "what a person knowingly exposes to the public" IIRC. We'd need a new SCOTUS case to clarify whether data derived from physical features that can be used to identify you still counts as such

Agreed.

> what he seeks to preserve as private, even in an area accessible to the public, may be constitutionally protected.

Identity might be, might not be.

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Post by potato3732842 »

jshier wrote: post #107
buellerbueller wrote: post #78

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Scale matters. Once is a bad actor; this is a bad executive branch, with seriously bad supporting turns by the highest court and congress.

Yes, ICE has been a bad actor since the day it was created, which is why "shutdown ICE" has been a thing on the left for a while now. But it's now operating as the private military of Donald Trump and the executive branch on a scale never before seen in America. Its upcoming budget is greater than every other federal law enforcement agency combined. We see videos every day of their gleeful assaults on anyone they lik…

>Yes, ICE has been a bad actor since the day it was created,

100yr ago you could've said the same about the FBI. They're still bad, but they've got better marketing these days. I am not hopeful.

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Post by duxup »

dragonwriter wrote: post #275
duxup wrote: post #182

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I think ICE is in fact setup / groomed to be ... lawless. Just thugs for the federal government.

Its not just ICE, its clear Trump intent for law enforcement (and not just federal) from even very early on in his first term, where a highlighted priority was terminating then-active federal enforcement actions against state law enforcement agencies for violations of civil rights. Lawless “law enforcement” has been one of the most consistent overt priorities Trump has had.

I think ICE's expansion + their massive legal discretion that goes beyond typical law enforcement is just he perfect place to put thugs. ICE by design is just the spot to have those folks, sadly.
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