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Re: What if tariffs?

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It obviously affects Swiss companies too, because their products become more expensive to American consumers, which makes it more unlikely they will buy them. No one said Americans are the only ones affected. But it’s Americans that pay the tariffs.

if i charge a 39% tarrif on swiss watches, doesn't that make american watches 39% more competitive? So, people will just buy more american watches in your example, no?

This assumes there are competitive domestic alternatives. For the vast majority of tariffed products, there are not.

For one example, the domestic PCB manufacturing industry is a joke. Even with tariffs, China is literally ten times cheaper than domestic. I recently sent an order to both, and the China fab had my boards in production inside a week. The US fab took three weeks to give us a quote, which was five times higher than China for half the quantity, in twice the time.

The US is not independent. We don't have a domestic industry competing on the global market. We make very little and rely very heavily on imports. What we do make is heinously expensive and not any higher quality than the much cheaper imported goods.

The current trade war also doesn't spur domestic industry growth because all the materials and equipment to build out industry.... is tariffed. Plus the tariffs change too frequently for any sane person to make any kind of long term investment.

Industry will wait to scale until economic forces stabilize.

Re: What if tariffs?

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"absolute truth" doesn't exist. I understand what you're saying, but the question of when a lie should then disqualify you from office must itself be a political question.

Absolute truth exists, and a claim that it doesn't is self-contradictory. The difficulty is in determining what is or isn't true, especially for empirical matters. (In math and logic the difficulty can vary. And some statements are true by definition, e.g., all unmarried men are bachelors.)

P.S. I'm not confusing anything and not forgetting any context, and then I get slammed with an absurd strawman, "politics should be based on mathematical axiomatic truth"--not remotely anything I said. Gawd but some people are rude.

The fact remains that absolute truth exists ... "delusional" seems to have no idea what the word "truth" even means.

Re: What if tariffs?

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Why are you attacking a point he didn't make? Trump lies. Almost every sentence is a lie. If you're allowed to lie during your campaign and you're immune from the repercussions, of course you're going to sway voters. Don't close your eyes to obvious truths.

> Trump lies. Almost every sentence is a lie. To be fair, a lie is when some knows the truth but says the not-truth. Trump may (a) actually believe the things he is saying (i.e., has no firm grasp on reality), or (b) doesn't care enough to actually find out what is true and just says whatever enters his mind to try to get to the destination he wants: > On Bullshit is a 1986 essay and 2005 book by the American philoso…

Yeah, that argument is bullshit in itself. Trump learned to double and triple down on his lies from Roy Cohn:

https://forward.com/culture/431851/how-roy-cohns-shame-made-...

You'll never make me believe he doesn't do it on purpose. He thrives on it. There's no reason for him to stop lying before he's dead. Again, just like Cohn.

Re: What if tariffs?

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Well yes, I too can pull stuff out of my ass, but I wouldn't usually then call people talking about reality "but that's like your opinion man".

Would it have been better if I had asked for sources instead? How backed up was the talking about reality? What you agree with is reality and what you don't is out of people's ass when everyone was just sharing opinions!

It's pretty clear who pays the tariffs. the buyer pays the manufacturer. the manufacturer ships the product. the product gets held in customs until the buyer pays the tariff.
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