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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by tomnipotent » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 12:46 AM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #259

Alupis wrote: post #255

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The mental gymnastics and contortions you are putting yourself through are quite stunning. You're finding associations that do not exist. I feel I'm staring at a wall strewn with thumb-tacked red yarn, linking all sorts of nonsense together while the creator steps back and exclaims "see, proof!". Framework makes hardware and software. If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens t…

Please explain which associations I'm finding which do not exist. > If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with I do not see where I mentioned Framework users. I care about the actions of the company. I care that they decide to support DHH, financially and through promoting his projects, and I care that they double down on their support in the…

> double down on their support in the face of push-back.

Because the push-back was dumb. This idea what we have to isolate and attack every person that we don't agree with is dumb. That you consider DHH's position on immigration sufficient to label him a fascist is dumb. All of it is moral showboating with no actual substance, otherwise you'd put your money where you mouth is and not purchase from most companies in the world that work with actual fascist regimes.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by benoau » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 12:46 AM UTC

killingtime74 wrote: post #269

thiht wrote: post #235

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> I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it Why though? My 2021 M1 still feels more beefy than pretty much any other laptop on the market. I have a M1, and an M4 for work and I barely feel any difference between the 2, they’re pretty much top notch. Sure, the M4 pro is more future proof, I can imagine myself still using my M1 in 2030 and my M4 in 2035. But I h…

“640K ought to be enough for anybody.” M5 is roughly twice the speed of M1 now. It's a no brainer other than money. 4 years of wear and tear and battery cycles is also not nothing.

It's a bit like Bugatti being faster than a Lamborghini... M1 is so good Apple is still making MacBook Airs with it, and that's still better than most PCs on the market heh.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by heavyset_go » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 12:51 AM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #5

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro. It's getting a bit old, so it would be nice to replace it with a new MacBook Pro in not too long. But honestly, losing Linux support would be pretty devastating. Docker and virtualization just isn't the same. There's lots of interesting stuff you can do with your hardware in Linux, there's for example Linux-specific software which puts the WiFi card in promiscuous mode and do…

Thanks for pointing out one thing that gets lost in a lot of these discussions: the fact that the Linux kernel itself is something that is desirable, especially if you're a power user, sys/networking/etc admin or developer.

There are so many big and little things you get for free with the kernel running directly on your hardware that you just don't, and can't, get on macOS or Linux VMs.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by mort96 » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 12:54 AM UTC

tomnipotent wrote: post #281

mort96 wrote: post #259

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Please explain which associations I'm finding which do not exist. > If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with I do not see where I mentioned Framework users. I care about the actions of the company. I care that they decide to support DHH, financially and through promoting his projects, and I care that they double down on their support in the…

> double down on their support in the face of push-back. Because the push-back was dumb. This idea what we have to isolate and attack every person that we don't agree with is dumb. That you consider DHH's position on immigration sufficient to label him a fascist is dumb. All of it is moral showboating with no actual substance, otherwise you'd put your money where you mouth is and not purchase from most companies in t…

I respectfully disagree with your opinion on the matter.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by rowanG077 » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:04 AM UTC

fluoridation wrote: post #280

rowanG077 wrote: post #276

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Not really, price is still extremely important and doesn't really factor into the definition of the best product. Taken to the extreme, Imagine a laptop a thousand times faster then the best there is now, with an extremely bright HDR screen with perfect blacks and a 1000hz refresh rate. It has a battery life of years, It's made of an unscratchable metal alloy and is fanless. It runs windows, linux and macos flawlessl…

>price is still extremely important and doesn't really factor into the definition of the best Heh. Who says it doesn't? >Taken to the extreme, Imagine [...] Okay. Likewise, imagine a computer exactly like you've described, except it costs five cents and measures a cubic kilometer. Sure, there may be a couple people for whom operating such a gigantic machine is no problem, but the vast majority of the world will never…

> Heh. Who says it doesn't?

Well, it’s not a formal definition, of course. But most review sites that compare products typically distinguish between best overall and best value categories. For example, if I asked gamers what the best GPU is, most would say the NVIDIA RTX 5090. Its price-to-performance ratio is terrible, but it still holds the crown.

> Okay. Likewise, imagine a computer exactly like you've described, except it costs five cents and measures a cubic kilometer. Sure, there may be a couple people for whom operating such a gigantic machine is no problem, but the vast majority of the world will never use it. So the size of the computer also doesn't factor into whether it's "the best", right? And so on for any single property you care to name.

I’m not describing a computer in general. I’m describing a laptop. What you’ve described wouldn’t even qualify for that category. And even if it did, size and weight are core quality factors for laptops. Portability is part of what defines the category.

> Yeah, no. The price is as much a part of a product as its physical shape. If Macs cost about the same as non-Macs, maybe they'd the most popular computers in the world, but they're not. And even in that case, they would not be the best. If, say, the program I need to run doesn't run on a Mac, the best computer for me would not be a Mac, it would be whatever computer is able to run it.

Price isn’t an property of a product itself, it's part of the product offering. If you have a laptop sitting on a table and you start using it, there’s nothing in the experience that tells you what it costs. If you can’t determine something by using the product, it isn’t an inherent attribute of it. Your cubic kilometer example also falls completely flat here, you can notice it when using the product.

So I'd agree with your point if we would be talking about the product offering. That includes things like pricing, warranty structure, on-site support, marketing message, availability etc.

The best laptop doesn’t have to match everyone’s personal needs. Your criteria may differ, but there are still objective qualities that most people agree are important in a laptop, build quality, display, battery life, input feel, and so on. In those respects, MacBooks tend to push these qualities to an extreme degree, more than any other laptop.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by tkel » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:05 AM UTC

jjtheblunt wrote: post #105

i was using Asahi on my M1 laptop, it was great, but have since switched to UTM.app (from the app store, but available outside it too), and configured to use Apple Silicon Hypervisor rather than QEMU, and it's been excellent, on M2 series processors at least. UTM warns its wrapping of the Apple Silicon hypervisor is not perfectly tested, but it's perfectly great. (When configuring a new hypervisor-ed OS, i use a Fedo…

Thanks, I'm going to do the same. I run asahi but several firefox tabs eats through my 16gb RAM so quickly I often get memory crashes. Even with zswap optimized. I assume it's bugs with the new 16k page size?

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by panny » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:16 AM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #153

bigyabai wrote: post #97

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Alternatively, you can buy a laptop from an OEM that doesn't play keep-away with the Linux upstream using their drivers. I write lots of Linux software but I have no intention to explicitly support Asahi or Macs whatsoever. Apple's greed is not something I will support with my money or my time, if Apple wants to court the Linux community then they can do it the same way Intel, AMD and Nvidia get along with us. Making…

I recently spent around $6k in a new 14in MacBook Pro with 128gb unified ram and 4tb HD. To replace my old Linux running 2012 MacBook pro. I searched throughly for something as close to that MBP hw conf but with Linux compatibility. There's just no hardware equivalent to what the Macbookpro, including the build quality. So I de idea to go for the MBP and install vmware + Linux. It's an amazing piece of hardware.

I work as a contractor these days. I find the teams with top spec macbooks have terribly bloated code bases, because they don't notice. Pulling into the project with my laptop with 8gbs of ram instantly recognizes the bloat. I point out the things they are doing wrong, and they typically know, but haven't cared to fix the issues. They end up wasting a mountain of money in production and ironically become very cost sensitive about hours worked instead.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by scuff3d » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:32 AM UTC

Klonoar wrote: post #265

scuff3d wrote: post #237

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If you read the rest of the posts above the one I'm replying to I think it's pretty clear this wasn't a serious question. It was asked ironically as in "the rest of the work doesn't matter, they're taking too long to get M5 support out" I'm saying it's an open project and if people want to bitch they're going too slow they are welcome to contribute.

More cooks in the kitchen doesn't always move the needle. You're being needlessly flippant for no real reason.

No, I was making a point.

Asahi Linux is a volunteer project. Devs commit their free time to work on something incredibly difficult, giving people the ability to run Linux on an entirely new platform, and all people can do is complain it isn't good enough.

And this is just one example, you see this kind of crap all over the Open Source community. Providing constructive feedback is one thing, bitching that they aren't working fast enough is another. Either get involved and find some way to help out, or shut up.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by easygenes » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:40 AM UTC

Teever wrote: post #262

ninkendo wrote: post #239

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Them saying “we’re going to pull the rug” in advance doesn’t make it not a rug pull, it just means you have advanced notice of the rug pull.

Isn't an intrinsic part of a rug pull deception?

That's just the cherry on top of the worst kind.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by devilbunny » Sat, Oct 25, 2025, 1:54 AM UTC

wtallis wrote: post #253

devilbunny wrote: post #210

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My Lenovo would just randomly kill its battery even when it was supposed to be full suspend-to-disk - under Windows. Setting the BIOS option to "Linux-compatible sleep mode" fixed this, but it took me FOREVER to figure this out and I'm reasonably certain I first heard about this fix in a comment here. Not a bit of a problem since.

The existence of a BIOS option called "Linux-compatible sleep mode" is a dead giveaway that the default behavior is enshittified sleep that wakes up your system periodically so it can check your email, phone home to Microsoft, and maybe fail to go back to sleep. Having such an obvious name like that is a gift, because otherwise you have to start decoding Intel Marketing names for their features to figure out which ar…

Much as I might wish this were really the case, the truth is that it wasn't Windows' fault - IIRC from the explanation, Windows supports sleep modes that Linux doesn't, but it doesn't support them very well, and it's apparently not a rare issue. Something to do with S3 sleep mode IIRC.