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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by preisschild »

mindcrash wrote: post #182
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

If only the drama stopped there: * DHH is not only considered racist / fascist due to some blog posts, but also for making Hyprland the default DE in Omarchy, developed by someone who goes by the name Vaxry Vaxerski, who is also considered fascist and racist, and thus banned from contributing to freedesktop projects due to supposed breach of CoC: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat * Hyprland and all…

I know vaxry made/allowed childish & offensive comments about trans folks, but has this gotten worse? Why is he considered a full on fascist now?

> Ladybird webbrowser (which is a project also run by someone considered to be a fascist)

Do you mean awesomekling? Why is he considered a fascist?

There are definitely actual fascists in tech (like Curtis Yarvin) which I (centrist liberal, not a tankie) fully support deplatforming where possible, but why are they considered fascists?

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by jrochkind1 »

shevy-java wrote: post #100
dismalaf wrote: post #58

This makes sense, considering Gem and Bundler are shipped with Ruby.

Well - I'd actually argue that it would be better and simpler if there would be just one binary. How it is called is IMO secondary. It would be better if the whole API would be unified. Bundler came later though.

i believe that has been the goal of maintainers for a couple years now. Yeah, they had different histories where bundler was developed as an add-on.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by nikabkforever »

9rx wrote: post #200
mindcrash wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only the drama stopped there: * DHH is not only considered racist / fascist due to some blog posts, but also for making Hyprland the default DE in Omarchy, developed by someone who goes by the name Vaxry Vaxerski, who is also considered fascist and racist, and thus banned from contributing to freedesktop projects due to supposed breach of CoC: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat * Hyprland and all…

> I want to hop in a time machine back to the 90s/early 00s before all this crap started and everybody was just generally nice to each other. The internet was never nice. It, however, did at one time require technical savvy to use. With that savvy came the understanding that computers and people aren't the same thing, so when the computer emitted something not nice you'd laughed at how quant the technology was instea…

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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by ufmace »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #215

Other than personal preference, are there any features that make Ruby worth considering for new apps? As a user, my experience with gems hasn't been great. I don't know any Ruby, I'm just asking out of curiosity.

Ruby by itself is still a pretty decent scripting language. I still think Rake is highly underrated as a command runner.

Rails is still a good web framework within its limits. If you want to build a small, modest complexity web app with like 1 or 2 developers and under maybe 6 months of active development, modest traffic needs, etc, it's a good way to get everything up and running fast with best-practices for everything.

The lack of types may start to pinch some once you get an order of magnitude more developer-months into the app than that. Lack of overall speed, threading issues, and memory usage may be an issue once you get a few orders of magnitude more traffic. But while you're within those limits, I think you'll get features out on it faster than any other language or framework.

As they say, a lot more startups have died due to not being able to iterate fast enough in the early stages than from their traffic capacity, hosting efficiency, and bug count once they get into serious growth.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by brightball »

ergocoder wrote: post #275
brightball wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's also in a bit of a unique situation because of his public political profile was essentially forced. - Politics at work were becoming a huge problem at 37Signals - They asked that politics be kept out of company chats, but encouraged people to be political active on non-work channels/social media/etc even during work hours - People lost their minds at this incredibly reasonable request which then blew up on the i…

DHH is at worst in the middle between left and right in the political spectrum. Keeping politics out of work place is like an extremely mild stance. For some reason, people label him as facist...

The label is meaningless now because it's been so over used. At this point a facist is anyone to the right of anarcho-communism. People still trying to use the term are labeling themselves more than anybody else.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by shadowgovt »

9rx wrote: post #228
shadowgovt wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It turns out "the words the person are saying aren't the person" turned out to be a polite fiction as people who had been saying awful things for years online turned out to go on to act on those ideas. We tried "Don't feed the trolls." It's how we got where we are now.

People have always acted upon their (awful) ideas. In fact, the internet (DARPANET) itself was created as a tool to help combat exactly that. However, that is completely independent from what is emitted from a computer screen. To try to somehow bind them together is logically incoherent. Which technically-minded folks understand, but now that the technology has become so accessible that anyone can use it...

> However, that is completely independent from what is emitted from a computer screen

We may just be working under different definitions. Are you claiming that when I type things into, say, Hacker News and hit reply, the words you read aren't the words I wrote?

Or are you asserting the "person" of the words in the computer is not the same person I am behind the keyboard?

I'd argue that the latter is the disproven hypothesis. It turns out people who said awful things online were actually awful people; they may not show it as often in public, but they weren't different human beings. Broadly speaking, they believed the things they said and tended to act on them in real life.

Laughing off things on the computer as not real was how at least one shooting went unchecked.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mindcrash »

preisschild wrote: post #281
mindcrash wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only the drama stopped there: * DHH is not only considered racist / fascist due to some blog posts, but also for making Hyprland the default DE in Omarchy, developed by someone who goes by the name Vaxry Vaxerski, who is also considered fascist and racist, and thus banned from contributing to freedesktop projects due to supposed breach of CoC: https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat * Hyprland and all…

I know vaxry made/allowed childish & offensive comments about trans folks, but has this gotten worse? Why is he considered a full on fascist now? > Ladybird webbrowser (which is a project also run by someone considered to be a fascist) Do you mean awesomekling? Why is he considered a fascist? There are definitely actual fascists in tech (like Curtis Yarvin) which I (centrist liberal, not a tankie) fully support depla…

> Do you mean awesomekling? Why is he considered a fascist?

I hope you can see this because my posts in this thread are getting attacked and downvoted.

This pretty much summarizes how it started (copied from Google):

https://lunduke.locals.com/post/5823666/ladybird-web-browser...

(note that while the exact word never is seen in evidence added to this post but it sure is or hinted towards elsewhere.)

and evidenced by this its ongoing:

https://xcancel.com/awesomekling/status/1971287738268909576

because some people disagree with things like this:

https://xcancel.com/awesomekling/status/1966456391146606806

And there are tons more posts that show that some people are not exactly nice towards him on his X timeline.

Also there's direct proof of these accusations out there but I will not link to those out of professional courtesy for those involved (yes, some people still have that).

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

rvitorper wrote: post #180

As an outsider, I have two questions: - why is Shopify kind of hated in the comments? - what is it DHH said? Hoping for some context

Oh no, looks like you're one of today's (unlucky) 10000[0]. (For context I only heard about all this recently).

For the DHH thing he wrote a recent blog post where he said he wants fewer non-white people in London and praises an english far-right fascist figure (Tommy Robinson)[1].

Not really sure about the Shopify stuff. I've heard people aren't too fond of Tobi (the C.E.O. I think), and he's buddies with DHH, but it could just be general distrust of a big company trying to exert control of an open source project (through Ruby Central).

[0] https://xkcd.com/1053/

[1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by the_gastropod »

badosu wrote: post #250
philipallstar wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hyprland and all its contributors are now also considered fascist from taking sponsorship money from 37signals This methodology is definitely not how you discover fascism. But it is how fascists and communists defined and traced their enemies in the 20th century.

This. While I am all for making conscious choices on what to support I can't take anything phrased like that seriously "all is contributors". Hyprland, while inferior (imo) in some aspects to sway on the wayland tiling manager landscape is a fine piece of software that I use on my non-work computer (I still use sway for stability). Back on the topic: I reiterate I'd be happy to avoid using or supporting projects base…

> What, do I need to know every persons imo completely irrelevant opinions on whatever du jour hot political topic?

No. But if they're using their social capital they've built via their software contributions (like DHH) to spread racist nonsense, then maybe it's worth considering alternatives, or at the very least, stop supporting those projects.

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