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Post by wildzzz »

addicted wrote: post #240
Aurornis wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sci-fi fantasy mixed with paranoia. The floor plan of every home is not on file, especially older homes. Police aren’t accessing your floor plan and then accessing your router and combining these into a perfect model that maps people’s locations. Where in this supposed plan are the police deducing the location of your WiFi router in the house and constructing a model of all materials and objects in the house…

Yeah, your local friendly police officer isn't gonna do that. They're gonna pay Anduril, Palantir, and a whole host of other business or consulting firms a ton of your money to do that. The criticism that "it's technically too challenging for the police department therefore its sci-fi" is extremely silly given that the current article literally is about private companies that are building surveillance networks that t…

It's a lot cheaper to just bust the door down, toss in a bunch of flash bangs and light up anyone who doesn't have their hands raised. Maybe they'll just send an armed robot in first if there's a specific threat involved.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #138

This is the logical conclusion to the state of irrational fear that Americans perpetually live in, that causes them to feel they need 24/7 surveillance of their homes, no matter the consequences.

I think most people with video door bells just like being able to answer the door when they aren't at home and to see who is there without getting up from the couch

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Post by hollywood_court »

msie wrote: post #248
Almondsetat wrote: post #180

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The police has access to the planimetry of your home. Secondly, if they get close enough they can measure the distance between the agent and the router, and then deduce all the relative distances from the router to the people inside.

Police won't even check the address before they raid a place, so I don't think so.

Yep. I used to be a building/remodeling contractor. If I accidentally showed up to the wrong address and demolished the wrong deck, I'd be responsible for making the property owner whole again.

If a cop serves a warrant and the wrong address and ends ups murdering a child, that cop will receive sympathy and paid time off.

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Post by Aachen »

gilfoy wrote: post #105
agigao wrote: post #85

This is why I never bought anything Amazon owned, other than Kindles; and I have dropped the latter, too. I was always suspicious of Ring and never understood the people using it.

My entire neighborhood came with ring doorbells pre installed and eero routers. I swapped out to the Logitech doorbell which I like better anyway

Here in the Netherlands, the government gave them away for free

They're also illegal because you're not allowed to film public spaces without a good reason (it's up to the judge and case law to decide, e.g. if there has been arson in the area recently then it's reasonable to monitor your car that's parked at the kerb, for example). Nobody has yet gotten in trouble to my knowledge

Gotta love hypocrisy

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Aurornis wrote: post #188
Almondsetat wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police has access to the planimetry of your home. Secondly, if they get close enough they can measure the distance between the agent and the router, and then deduce all the relative distances from the router to the people inside.

This is sci-fi fantasy mixed with paranoia. The floor plan of every home is not on file, especially older homes. Police aren’t accessing your floor plan and then accessing your router and combining these into a perfect model that maps people’s locations. Where in this supposed plan are the police deducing the location of your WiFi router in the house and constructing a model of all materials and objects in the house…

Everything about our world today was the stuff of dystopian paranoia 20 years ago.

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Post by IT4MD »

JeremyHerrman wrote: post #284

Unifi G4 Doorbell Pro [0] is a great self-hosted option. I've been very happy with mine over the last year, but I was already bought into the unifi ecosystem with a UDM Pro SE and U6 mesh APs. 0: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-doorbells/collec...

I just installed mine (last weekend) and use a Unifi stack at home.

100% recommended alternative.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

throwway120385 wrote: post #119
nerdponx wrote: post #77

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Pros: potentially greater safety for police and EMS when dealing with touchy people, obvious benefits for fire rescue (assuming it works in a fire). Cons: use your imagination.

The police have a very safe job, generally. They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. People have this idea that being a police officer is really unsafe and that they're throwing themselves in the line of danger just by doing their jobs, but most people are law-abiding and civil. There are people who are not, but that's not a good reason for t…

If they cared about police safety, they wouldn't do warrant checks at every interaction. If they cared about community policing, they wouldn't do warrant checks at every interaction. Because warrant checks make every situation potentially one where they are interacting with someone who has a life sentence over their head and might do something crazy.

Removing that one step just for community policing would completely change police interactions. Community policing is not the place to inject warrant enforcement, it too completely changes the dynamics.

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