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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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What do you use it for? How often do you use it?

i want to capture 3d video of loved ones before they’re gone

I thought you can take spacial photos/videos on iPhone and view it on the Vision Pro later?

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/spatial-photos-record...

I don't have either so I don't know how well iPhone vs. natively taken photos/videos compare.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #35

It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!

Speaking of which, Apple could probably support Mac apps on modern iPhones if you plug it into an external monitor. I assume they aren't doing it because it would cannibalize their laptop market.

Probably yes. Essentially all of those are the same: Apple TVs, iPhones, iPads, Macbooks and desktop computers. Slightly different version of Apple Silicon in different casing and different OS (or UI?).

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I expected them to give up on it. Props for not pulling a google, but I guess that isn't a high bar?

This looks like Apple’s foray into smart glasses. They seem to be following Meta’s path — but Apple can win this race via their signature strengths: tech support at their stores when your glasses break, durable hardware and focus on privacy (their glasses could blur or anonymize strangers’ faces in photos/videos who havent authorized themselves).

Meanwhile, my two pairs of Meta Ray-Bans are basically trash now. Loved them while they worked — but they break way too easily, and one completely died after a software update.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #23

I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals. If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

My sentiments exactly. This would be such an easy purchase to justify if it weren't just a toy-- no other VR headset touts to display text so crisply. But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone. I'm very eagerly looking forward to Valve's headset coming out.

>But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone.

I still remember the good old days of Gary's mod movie theater servers.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I've had the Vision Pro since launch, and the only thing that keeps me coming back to it nearly daily is the Mac Virtual Display for my MacBook Pro. It's just so useful to have a huge display wherever you want it - no hunching over looking down a small laptop screen. This is especially useful on a plane where I'm not even able to open the laptop completely due to the tight space. My main gripe is: Why do I need a sep…

The only use case I’m interested in is long-haul flights. How comfortable is it to wear for an extended period? Do people interrupt you to ask you about it? Are you able to use all the features sitting in economy while gesturing?

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #126

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> Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows This is both true and completely irrelevant, because the point of the above comment is that Apple is not in the business of catering to this use case. Look at the annual revenues: $225 billion from iPhone/iPad, $100 billion from "services" (which Apple mostly characterizes as "app store stuff"), $40 billion from accessories (watch, airpods,…

You can't build iPhone or iPad apps on iPhones or iPads yet, so a decent chunk of that revenue currently relies on the Mac as well. Even without that, calling a $30B business an "insignificant historical afterthought" is a bit of an exaggeration, no?

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Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I've had the Vision Pro since launch, and the only thing that keeps me coming back to it nearly daily is the Mac Virtual Display for my MacBook Pro. It's just so useful to have a huge display wherever you want it - no hunching over looking down a small laptop screen. This is especially useful on a plane where I'm not even able to open the laptop completely due to the tight space. My main gripe is: Why do I need a sep…

Apple won't do that because it means creating a Mac enclave[0] inside of what is supposed to be a secure OS. Apple wants the Mac to be firewalled off from the rest of their product line because the Mac has root access and other things that let the owner tamper with device security. To be clear, you can keep such a device secure, but Apple believes the additional work to support keeping such an owner-controlled device secure is "working for free".

To elaborate on that last bit: macOS ships with a number of utilities and frameworks specifically to detect and remove known-malicious software. macOS also has to operate notarization infrastructure for supporting non-MAS apps, as well as boot infrastructure to deliberately run untrusted or known-insecure OS kernels. None of their other platforms need this[1], because they have strict code signing enforcement. The web browser and developer mode aside, the only code that is ever allowed to run on device is code written by an entity with a business relationship to Apple. Anyone who wants to ship malware has to create a paper trail and expose themselves to getting a legal ass-ramming.

Of course, in practice the enhanced security of iOS and its derivatives is really just an excuse to extract 30%, a price most app developers aren't willing to pay. Putting all your "real apps" behind a virtual display that you have to carry a separate device around for is a way to contrive an inconvenience whose answer is "ship a native visionOS app."

I suspect the whole reason why Mac mirroring is even a thing at all is because Apple realized iPad apps weren't going to cut it on a $3500 VR headset, and this was their quick hack to make the Vision Pro useful while they figured out a way to browbeat their developers into officially supporting it. A task which, by the way, has failed miserably.

[0] No relation to "exclaves" - i.e. bits of security-sensitive code that have been isolated from regular iOS system processes and run inside SPTM's "secure kernel" domain, but can still IPC back and forth. The most likely approach to "Mac enclaves" on visionOS would be enabling Hypervisor and shoving macOS in EL1.

[1] EU DMA notwithstanding - in fact, much of Apple's anger regarding the DMA boils down to the fact that complying with it while keeping their devices secure means shipping macOS-like antimalware infrastructure on other platforms.

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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post #220

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The best is to have a pulley system above your head that removes the weight of it from above. I’d like to see someone implement this via a backpack / should strap for mobile use.

"The Vision Pro Strangulator 5000"

There are safety mechanisms for this

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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The best is to have a pulley system above your head that removes the weight of it from above. I’d like to see someone implement this via a backpack / should strap for mobile use.

Designed for cameras but probably works for testing the concept without any modifications: https://easyrig.se/

He’ll yes thank you

Will report back

Re: Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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I expected them to give up on it. Props for not pulling a google, but I guess that isn't a high bar?

They massively over-estimated demand [1] and produced tens if not hundreds of thousands of units that didn't sell. This is them trying to liquidate their inventory of components. [1]: https://daringfireball.net/2024/10/vision_pro_bites_dog

Your article refutes that and says sales are totally at expectations?
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