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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Not only does the NSA break encryption but they actually sabotage algorithms to make them easier to break when used.

Can the NSA break the Ed25519 stuff? Like the crypto_box from libsodium?

Large amounts of data, like backups, are encrypted using a symmetric algorithm. Which makes the strength of Ed25519 somewhat unimportant in this context.

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They fucked up, that much is clear but the should not have kept that data on foreign cloud storage regardless. It's not like there are only two choices here.

> the should not have kept that data on foreign cloud storage regardless. It's not like there are only two choices here Doesn't have to be an American provider (Though anyone else probably increases Seoul's security cross section. America is already its security guarantor, with tens of thousands of troops stationed in Korea.) And doesn't have to be permanent. Ship encrypted copies to S3 while you get your hardenede-b…

I'm aware of a big cloud services provider (I won't name any names but it was IBM) that lost a fairly large amount of data. Permanently. So that too isn't a guarantee. They simply should have made local and off-line backups, that's the gold standard, and to ensure that those backups are complete and can be used to restore from scratch to a complete working service.

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Are we talking about actual portable thunderbolt 3 connected RAID 5 G-drive arrays with between 70 and 160TB of storage per array? We use that for film shoots to dump TB of raw footage. That G-Drive?? The math checks at 30GB for around 3000 users on a single RAID5 array. This would be truly hilarious if true.

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> no government should keep critical data on foreign cloud storage Primary? No. Back-up? These guys couldn’t provision a back-up for their on-site data. Why do you think it was competently encrypted?

They fucked up, that much is clear but the should not have kept that data on foreign cloud storage regardless. It's not like there are only two choices here.

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Microsoft has already testified that the American government maintains access to their data centres, in all regions. It likely applies to all American cloud companies. America is not a stable ally, and has a history of spying on friends. So unless the whole of your backup is encrypted offline, and you trust the NSA to never break the encryption you chose, its a national security risk.

> France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls. > Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “aston…

France has had a reputation for being especially active in industrial espionage since at least the 1990s. Here's an article from 2011 https://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espio...

I always thought it was a little unusual that the state of France owns over 25% of the defense and cyber security company Thales.

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Good thing Korea has cloud providers, apparently Kakao has even gone...beyond the cloud! https://kakaocloud.com/ https://www.nhncloud.com/ https://cloud.kt.com/ To name a few.

They are overwhelmingly whitelabeled providers. For example, Samsung SDI Cloud (the largest "Korean" cloud) is an AWS white label. Korea is great at a lot of engineering disciplines. Sadly, software is not one of them, though it's slowly changing. There was a similar issue a couple years ago where the government's internal intranet was down a couple days because someone deployed a switch in front of outbound connecti…

I spent a week of my life at a major insurance company in Seoul once, and the military style security, the obsession with corporate espionage, when all they were working on was an internal corporate portal for an insurance company… The developers had to use machines with no Internet access, I wasn’t allowed to bring my laptop with me lest I use it to steal their precious code. A South Korean colleague told me it was this way because South Korean corporate management is stuffed full of ex-military officers who take the attitudes they get from defending against the North with them into the corporate world; no wonder the project was having so many technical problems-but I couldn’t really solve them, because ultimately the problems weren’t really technical

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They are overwhelmingly whitelabeled providers. For example, Samsung SDI Cloud (the largest "Korean" cloud) is an AWS white label. Korea is great at a lot of engineering disciplines. Sadly, software is not one of them, though it's slowly changing. There was a similar issue a couple years ago where the government's internal intranet was down a couple days because someone deployed a switch in front of outbound connecti…

I spent a week of my life at a major insurance company in Seoul once, and the military style security, the obsession with corporate espionage, when all they were working on was an internal corporate portal for an insurance company… The developers had to use machines with no Internet access, I wasn’t allowed to bring my laptop with me lest I use it to steal their precious code. A South Korean colleague told me it was…

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S. Korea has the most backward infosec requirements. It's wild

Having just visited South Korea last year, one thing that sort of caught me off guard was the lack of Google Maps or other major direction system. I wasn’t aware but turns out anything considered “detailed mapping” infrastructure has to be ran stored and on South Korean soil, probably lots of other requirements. So you’re stuck with some shotty local mapping systems that are just bad. There may be a point in time it…

>So you’re stuck with some shotty local mapping systems that are just bad.

What made you think of them as bad? Could you be more specific? I use them almost daily and I find them very good.

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I was the principal consultant at a subcontractor to a contractor for a large state government IT consolidation project, working on (among other things) the data centre design. This included the storage system. I noticed that someone had daisy-chained petabytes of disk through relatively slow ports and hadn’t enabled the site-to-site replication that they had the hardware for! They had the dark fibre, the long-range…

> In private organisations you get competent shouty people at the top insisting on a job done right. In government you get incompetent shouty people insisting that the job gets done wrong.

Great post and story but this conclusion is questionable. These kinds of incompetences or misaligned incentives absolutely happen in private organisations as well.

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