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Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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It’s completely true that the system we use today—where a few big companies hold all of our private information in one place—is a bad model. It’s risky for security, and it means you have no real power or ownership over your own data.

The good news is that we don’t have to wonder if a better way is possible. The technology is already here! Projects like Solid (Pods) and AT Protocol (PDS) have proven we can separate your information from the applications you use. You can put your data into your own secure digital "locker" or vault.

The difficulty now is not the technology, but getting people to actually use it:

1- It’s Too Hard to Use: Setting up and managing your personal data locker is currently as complicated as managing a super-secret password for a crypto account. For everyone to adopt it, it needs to be way simpler than just clicking "Log in with Google." If it’s too much work for regular people, it will fail.

2- Big Companies Don't Want to Change (The Incentive Problem): The biggest tech companies make billions by collecting and using your data. They have no reason to switch to a system where they have to ask permission to use data they don't own, unless a major law forces them to, or a new competitor steals their users.

3- Privacy Isn't Enough (The Benefit Problem): Most people won't switch just for "privacy." The new system must offer clear, positive benefits, like letting you move all your friends to a new social app instantly, or securely filling out long forms with a single click from your data locker.

The key to success is building user-friendly tools that hide all the complexity and make this new, secure way of managing data simple for everyone.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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post #273

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FWIW, I've been able to cancel my NYT subscription with only a web form since I first subscribed in 2020. It works, and I use it every year. Some years there were several weeks before I got the discounted price again. I wonder how many years need to pass after a company removes a user-hostile pattern before it should stop being lambasted for it. I don't know how long they did what you say, but I could see that 5 year…

> I wonder how many years need to pass after a company removes a user-hostile pattern before it should stop being lambasted for it. Why would there be a statute of limitations on this. A company doesn’t have an inherent right to customers. A lot of us gave up on Windows with XP (a second strike, after ME). Maybe it’s better now, maybe not, but why would I be motivated to give a company who screwed up already (due to…

You missed the point.

That's okay.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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The concept makes sense but the execution is always where these things fall apart. Most people don't want to manage their own data infrastructure.

The bigger issue is interoperability. Your personal data store is only useful if apps actually integrate with it, and getting developers to adopt new standards is tough.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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you two should also be aware of https://www.ethswarm.org/ (censorship resistant distributed storage with the same API)

The same API part isn't surprising, content addressed stores are the most natural way to accept encrypted data. The public storage networks are targeting a different use case than Blobcache though, which I think of as a private or web-of-trust storage network. To use a cryptocurrency backed storage solution, one must manage accounts, or a wallet of transaction outputs, connect to unknown parties on the internet, and…

re legal risks: no one knows what their machines are storing in swarm without also holding a key and a hash. the pieces are distributed based on the hash of the encrypted value.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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post #26

Among the first page and 2nd page (top 60) there is always atleast 1 post about how we're gonnna "take back the web" or make it back into some form of our 90s millenial nostalgia memories, self hosting, federated this or that, etc etc. Meanwhile - Nothing changes, everything generally gets worse and younger generations come into the world with no memories of the 90s internet or the world before mobile devices or surv…

> self hosting, federated this or that

> creating endless pointless copies of your pesonal information in databases across the world

These are completely different, unrelated concerns.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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> Frankly, in here EU did a good job People in the EU are still using Instagram/Facebook/WhatsApp. Zuckerberg did a "ok, if you don't want us to track you, you can pay 12€/month" and everyone just smashed the "I consent to get my data mined forever" button. Not to mention that we *still* have lobbying for chat control. Every measure from the EU is, as always, meant to look like our beloved bureaucrats are doing somet…

Elsewhere there is no choice. How is that better? What do you suggest instead?

> Elsewhere there is no choice

Everywhere there is a choice. If, for instance, you don't want Facebook to have your data, don't use Facebook and block their domains using an adblocker to prevent leakage via cookies on sites that have their JS running.

The folly is that EU regulators have duped people into believing that they can read and even participate in free-as-in-beer social media sites without any of 'their data' ever being held by anyone else. And that the information of what a person did on a single site on a given day is "personal data" even if it isn't ever tied to your identity or ever used to do anything but try to show that browser a more relevant ad.

The root cause of both the general public's discomfort and the overcollection of data is the ad-supported model itself. The EU punted on that hard problem and instead wastes everyone's time trying to pretend the ad-supported models can function with 100% personal data control.

Re: Personal data storage is an idea whose time has come

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The most compelling and plausible solution to this that I have seen is a set of standards called Solid, made by Tim Berners Lee, who invented the web. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_(web_decentralization_pr... You’d think that if anybody could pull off reshaping how data is stored and shared on the Internet, it would be him. And the technology is, well, solid. Unfortunately, it doesn’t have as much traction as I…

Yeah, that’s... that’s what the whole post was about...

I was responding to a comment, not the article. I can’t say for certain whether they read the article, but my guess would be no, based on their dismissive (or at least pessimistic) attitude toward these types of articles. So I figured I would share my thoughts on the crux of why this isn’t just “another” data storage project.
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