Amazon has assured us there is nothing wrong with the drones and they pose absolutely no safety hazard even though they crashed.
Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ
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The code, all of it, is just an implementation detail. All that matters is real world behavior and its consequences.
And if it doesn't perform as expected in the world, all human efforts should be on fixing the actual code. Anything else, especially non-technical conversations, is a waste of human time.
Sure, but the police or feds or FAA aren’t responsible for fixing it. They’re just enforcement
Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ
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And if it doesn't perform as expected in the world, all human efforts should be on fixing the actual code. Anything else, especially non-technical conversations, is a waste of human time.
Sure, but the police or feds or FAA aren’t responsible for fixing it. They’re just enforcement
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The facts don’t line up with your concerns. Amazon announced prime air in what 2013 IIRC. Now 12 years later they have FAA approval for a small number of test flights. Exactly so they can slowly discover problems like this and fix them. Every safety critical system in the world is iteratively refined based on real world learnings about mistakes - mistakes made after careful design to avoid them. It’s just really real…
The discover and fix phase is over. In August 2025, the FAA announced Part 108 which codifies the rules. Up until now, companies have been operating under waivers. The comment period for Part 108 ends on October 6th. After that the rules may be changed slightly and then will be finalized. https://www.regulations.gov/document/FAA-2025-1908-0023 You can select a few comments at random and quickly find a pattern: people…
What do you mean “the discover and fix phase is over”? That implies that safety critical systems stop trying to discover problems and fix them? In what world is that true? You are always learning from mistakes and fixing them. Forever.
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How about: "As of the time of writing, we don't know of any reports of injuries"?
There's no need to use 15 words when 9 will do.
"At the time of writing there are no reports of injuries."
Honestly, that's redundant, because it's obvious in context.
Re: Two Amazon delivery drones crash into crane in commercial area of Tolleson, AZ
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
The discover and fix phase is over. In August 2025, the FAA announced Part 108 which codifies the rules. Up until now, companies have been operating under waivers. The comment period for Part 108 ends on October 6th. After that the rules may be changed slightly and then will be finalized. https://www.regulations.gov/document/FAA-2025-1908-0023 You can select a few comments at random and quickly find a pattern: people…
What do you mean “the discover and fix phase is over”? That implies that safety critical systems stop trying to discover problems and fix them? In what world is that true? You are always learning from mistakes and fixing them. Forever.
> In what world is that true?
It's true in this one. Companies will design drones that comply with the very detailed regulations and go no further the same way car companies don't put seatbelts, airbags, or auto-brake devices into cars unless forced. The drone regulations are nearly done. Any further changes may take an act of congress.