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He initially turned down the job because he felt that a lawyer wasn't the right person to run an engineering company, and from reports of people who worked with him he knew his knowledge limits and listened to the engineers. He took serious risks with the 707 and 747 projects because he trusted the people who understood the technology. MBAs and final-gasp lawyers concentrate on making the reported number go up in the…

Fun fact the 707 had the first implementation of “MCAS” because the plane had a tendency to pitch up in a certain flaps configuration. They added a stick nudger which applied light pressure in said config. Not a stick pusher, as it did not alert the pilots, it simply applied an extra input independent of the pilots. However this was made aware to all pilots of the plane and likely contributed to its certification. Al…

Assume 40 inches rather than 40ft

Adding 12 meters to an aircraft is quite a big change.

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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What does a moon base get us, though? It was cool to get bragging rights by being the first to land and come back - in the ultimate show of “soft power” against the Soviet Union. But a permanent moon base? We can’t even fund the ISS.

Can you see a future for humanity where the moon isn’t colonised?

Yes? Why do we need to colonize the moon with squishy meatbags with billions of years of evolutionary optimization for life on Earth?

All these dreams of star-trek like interstellar travel (or even interplanetary travel beyond taking a selfie and going home) require major advances in the physics tech tree. Might come, might not.

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Boeing today is so obviously a different organisation to the one that built their rapidly dwindling reputation. The 747 was an amazing engineering marvel. They started designing it in '65, the first one rolled off the production line in '68, and they were still making and selling them right up to 2023. I have a book here somewhere that talks about how so many of the design decisions were based on cold hard physics fa…

> Cessna 172s flying into international airports have to fly their landing approach way faster than usual for that type of plane because _everybody_ flies approaches at 747 speeds.

This isn't even close to true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_approach_category.

Cessnas approach at less than half the speed of 747s. The safe maximum cruising speed is 20-30 kts short of a 747 approach speed. You would have to be willing to risk your airplane and your life to get a Cessna up to the approach speed of a 747.

My experience landing Cessnas and other light aircraft at airfields where they land the big boys (including busy international ones) is that you approach and land at the speeds that the aircraft you are flying is designed for (which, btw, ATC and the FAA don’t give two shits if you are an international airport, the rules are the same everywhere in the US. I am licensed and have flown in other countries, and it varies ever so slightly, but not in the direction you are implying). I have had controllers ask me to keep speed up for spacing, but they aren't expecting miracles, they know that you simply can't get a Cessna to go above a certain speed.

The rest of your comment also has some dubious claims. I suspect that the top speed was set just below mach 1, not because Boeing had no engineering knowledge about supersonic flight, but because fuel efficiency, and a host of other factors that make supersonic flight difficult. As a counter to that assertion I would point out that Boeing had a supersonic engineering team that started in 1952. They even designed a supersonic airliner that was never built in the 1960s. Hard to believe that they chose not to make the 747 supersonic because they lacked the experience to design an SST while they simultaneously had an SST design and supersonic research team before the 747 was conceived.

The 747 was a groundbreaking airplane, but it wasn't all of the things being claimed here.

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A moon base gets us a platform to test what long term low gravity does to a human body, and an environment to test ISRU for various materials like water, oxygen, iron, titanium, etc... Being able to prove that people can live in an environment like the moon long term and develop materials that can make their stay there sustainable by reducing consumables and developing replacement parts from lunar material is a great…

Stepping stone to… what exactly? We couldn’t even handle a closed source experiment on earth (see biosphere 2), why would one on another celestial body fare any better?

It's a stepping stone to building very large spacecraft/space stations that have rotating habitat rings that would be used to colonize the solar system.

These kinds of things can be put into cycler orbits around the Moon or Mars[0] which would allow relatively comfortable and cost effective journeys to these locations. As the scale of these kinds of craft expand they could eventually become destinations themselves akin to massive cruise ships in the sky where some people live out their entire lives.

Biosphere 2 was obviously a flawed experiment but it seems that Mir, the ISS, and Tiangong have shown that long term habitation in micro-G is possible, it seems like the extension of that is to try long term habitation of a body with gravity and material to experiment with.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_cycler

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Is this the New Midsize Airplane, the "797", again? [1] That's been on and off for over a decade. Should have been shipping by now. The COMAC C919 is finally shipping, although it's not a great aircraft and China still imports the engines. COMAC will probably do better in the next round. Will Embraeier build something in that size range? They could. They already build small midsize aircraft.[3] This looks like Boeing…

> And it's all because the Southwest CEO wanted to have only one kind of airplane. That's the cause of the 737 MAX.

Interesting how in the eyes of Joe Public, Southwest had nothing to do with it. Wonder if the Southwest board figures their cynical calculation worked out well enough to try again?

Re: Boeing has started working on a 737 MAX replacement

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Can you see a future for humanity where the moon isn’t colonised?

Yes? Why do we need to colonize the moon with squishy meatbags with billions of years of evolutionary optimization for life on Earth? All these dreams of star-trek like interstellar travel (or even interplanetary travel beyond taking a selfie and going home) require major advances in the physics tech tree. Might come, might not.

Would you not like to see major advances in the physics tech tree? The way you get those advancements, is to have a goal. And funding.

A moon colonization program provides both.

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But then you've got to ask why would we want an orbital Mars/Phobos/Deimos station?

Because Elon. Snark aside: the goal is Mars because it might be possible to colonize the planet and to have a place that acts as a reserve for humanity should shit really hit the fan (i.e. WW3). The moon isn't suitable as much for that purpose due to a complete lack of any atmosphere and because it's too close to Earth.

Even if WW3 were to happen, I'm not sure it could let Earth be in a worse state than Mars for supporting human life.

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A bit ironic though because the CEO of Boing during their best years was William McPherson Allen, a lawyer.

There are always people who work out despite common sense saying they shouldn't that doesn't mean common sense is wrong, it just means we don't understand what the real factors are.

Or we don't care because it's a rule of thumb not a law of physics.

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What does a moon base get us, though? It was cool to get bragging rights by being the first to land and come back - in the ultimate show of “soft power” against the Soviet Union. But a permanent moon base? We can’t even fund the ISS.

Can you see a future for humanity where the moon isn’t colonised?

The Azores wasn't exactly instrumental in the colonization of north america.

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That isn’t really true. Air stairs are still very common in much of Europe and Asia. It’s only places like the US and the Middle East that jet bridges are ubiquitous.

also common in south america in my experience

Can confirm, about to board an airplane with an air stair in Peru. An A320, actually.
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