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Re: Kagi News

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Given that Orion (which I repeatedly attempt to daily drive due to the dearth of browsers meeting my requirements right now on macos) is still full of bugs that hamper usability, and seems to introduce new ones with every update, I don't know why Kagi insists on overextending itself like this. They just started porting their broken browser to Linux, they're creating a maps app, all while they clearly do not have the…

Which bugs do you encounter? Orion works nearly perfectly for me.

A selection of recent ones:

- Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit)

- The password manager is busted on certain websites that have a third input box (so a captcha or 2FA code), where it'll fill the password twice

- Kept randomly getting the error "Orion can't open this page: This operation couldn't be completed. Cannot allocate memory" with like 10 windows, ~30 tabs open. Haven't seen it recently but like many Orion bugs it is intermittent and hard to reproduce consistently.

- Switching between Chrome and Orion sometimes (inconsistently) switches me to the last Orion window I had open (often on a different Desktop) rather than the one I clicked on.

- On networks where I can form WebRTC connections in Safari and Chrome, I cannot in Orion.

- This was just fixed but until like yesterday, the highlight color in their PDF viewer for ctrl F was a barely visible 10% opacity highlight that was totally unusable.

- Various other intangible performance bugs that seem to pile up when you haven't restarted in a day or two. It starts out really snappy and tends to get slower the longer you've had it open.

I should note that the pace of developement would be much faster if they would open source the browser, but instead of that they keep starting new, closed source projects that will likely have the same fate. Their Linux Orion port is from scratch, none of their macOS code is reusable.

Re: Kagi News

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Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Yes, that's what it is. Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist, so you may be fundamentally at odds with them here... If it lessens the issue for you, the sources of each item are cited properly in every example I tried, so maybe you could treat it as a fancy link aggregator

> Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist

Kagi founder here. I am personally not an LLM-optimist. The thing is that I do not think LLMs will bring us to "Star Trek" level of useful computers (which I see humans eventually getting to) due to LLM's fundamentally broken auto-regressive nature. A different approach will be needed. Slight nuance but an important one.

Kagi as a brand is building tools in service of its users, no particular affinity towards any technologies.

Re: Kagi News

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Which bugs do you encounter? Orion works nearly perfectly for me.

A selection of recent ones: - Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit) - The password manager is busted on certain websites that have a third input box (so a captcha or 2FA code), where it'll fill the password twice - Kept randomly getting the error "Orion can't o…

> - Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit)

oh i hate it when developers get cute with DNS. this doesn't happen with Safari? i've also had issues with the password manager (even after telling it i want to use Passwords, it just... doesn't sometimes).

i've been in the same boat as you - i really want to diversify the browser ecosystem, so i've been daily driving orion for a bit, but their stance toward open source (which you mentioned) is a big bummer.

Re: Kagi News

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The World section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from the USA. The UK section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from Scotland. It looks too simplistic for me to actually use.

Several sections have Trump in the headline. I wish there was a way to block that word like I do in Lemmy. That guy monopolizes the headlines which only makes him more powerful, and annoys me. I'll see whether I can take this when I use this new app, which I otherwise think is great.

It is possible to block news by keywords, see settings (I believe in the web app currently only)

Re: Kagi News

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post #278
post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Yes, they are not the only player here. Quite a few companies are doing this, if you use Perplexity, they also have a news tab with the exact feature set.

> if you use Perplexity, they also have a news tab with the exact feature set

"Exact" is far from accurate. I just did a side-by-side comparison. To name only two obvious differences:

A. At the top level, Perplexity has a "Discover" tab [1] -- not titled "News". That leads to a AAF page with the endless-scroll anti-pattern (see [2] [3] for other examples). Kagi News [4] presents a short list of ~7ish items without images.

B. At the detail-page level, Kagi organizes their content differently (with more detail, including "sources", "highlights", "perspectives", "historical background", and "quick questions"). Perplexity only has content with sources and "discover more". You can verify for yourself.

[1]: https://www.perplexity.ai/discover

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/e0a99k/cnn_app_is_ann...

[3]: https://www.tumblr.com/make-me-imagine/614701109842444288/an...

[4]: https://kite.kagi.com

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I did that, and started getting flagged as a bot. Had to search elsewhere(Kagi) full time, or else suffer endless "find a bike" nonsense. I think Google hates the loss of no/few ads or lame suggestions.

Google thinks the same of me and I don't even edit the URL. I can have a session working just fine one night and come back the next day, open a new tab to search for something, and get captcha'd to hell. I'm fairly sure they just mess with Firefox on purpose. I won't install Brave, Chrome, or Edge out of principle either. Safari works fine, but I don't like it.

Google will captcha me on the second or third search if I try to use the "site":" advanced keyword to narrow down search

I'm sorry I know how to use your tool?? ? Didn't you put these keywords in to be used?

Re: Kagi News

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The World section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from the USA. The UK section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from Scotland. It looks too simplistic for me to actually use.

The Belgian section has no french language articles, they still need to work some things out but I welcome the idea.

Re: Kagi News

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post #171

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I monitor 404 errors on my website. ChatGPT frequently sends traffic to pages that never existed. Sometimes the information they refer to has never existed on my website. For example: "/glossary/love-parade" - There is no mention of this on my website. "/guides/blue-card-germany" has always been at "/guides/blue-card". I don't know what "/guides/cost-of-beer-distribution" even refers to.

Definitely need an LLM to just generate it automatically on the fly! Welcome to the future! (Just kidding please don't (generate automatically))

Not quite this, but still relevant: https://www.ty-penguin.org.uk/~auj/spigot/
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