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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bapak »

FinnKuhn wrote: post #279
andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

Why are we talking about the EU in this thread? I don't see how draconian UK laws relate to a proposed chat control law in the EU that hasn't even been drafted and would likely not survive a judicial challenge if it were to be approved.

Well, it relates in that the UK also hates encryption and is extremely likely to get their own Chat Control anytime this decade.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bapak »

mrtksn wrote: post #268
andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them. JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternative…

I hate this so bad. You know that the solution will be that EU will block US companies (who do not comply) so EU users will eventually get their own WhatsApp called MsgMeNow. The result is that nobody can talk to people outside their own jurisdiction.

This is effectively what we see in China. They only use WeChat, I was unable to register because it says I need someone to verify my account when I try to do it (this has been happening since 2018)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bapak »

downrightmike wrote: post #215
andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

> Sending message... > Sending to your local police dept... OK > Sending to intended recipient... Failed

> This phone is now locked

> Please open the door

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by LordDragonfang »

blibble wrote: post #228
andai wrote: post #177

WhatsApp, Telegram and everyone else should pull out of EU in protest of Chat Control. Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, and citizens will finally feel enough pain to contact their representatives ;)

signal is open source, so they'll just download the source, build it, add a backdoor and push it to the app store same as that weird official USgov version hosted by israel

Signal is AGPL licensed, so they would have to publish whatever crude hack they insert in order to install that back door. (not the keys, of course, but if they're this incompetent about tech legislation, I don't trust their QA competence to be top notch)

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by squigz »

oldjim798 wrote: post #167
etchalon wrote: post #139

The global internet sure was fun for a bit.

Was it? It did a tremendous amount of harm as well. Future historians may judge us very harshly for how cavalier and flippant we were in unleashing this technology onto the public.

Can you give us some examples of harm it's done?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by FinnKuhn »

bapak wrote: post #281
FinnKuhn wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are we talking about the EU in this thread? I don't see how draconian UK laws relate to a proposed chat control law in the EU that hasn't even been drafted and would likely not survive a judicial challenge if it were to be approved.

Well, it relates in that the UK also hates encryption and is extremely likely to get their own Chat Control anytime this decade.

The same could be said for the US as well though looking at the EARN IT Act that is reintroduced every couple of years just like Chat Control in the EU with both having failed multiple times so far.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by LightBug1 »

bapak wrote: post #282
mrtksn wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them. JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternative…

I hate this so bad. You know that the solution will be that EU will block US companies (who do not comply) so EU users will eventually get their own WhatsApp called MsgMeNow. The result is that nobody can talk to people outside their own jurisdiction. This is effectively what we see in China. They only use WeChat, I was unable to register because it says I need someone to verify my account when I try to do it (this h…

Maybe that's a good thing. Have you read Snowcrash?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by mrtksn »

bapak wrote: post #282
mrtksn wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then EU will be forced to make its own chat app, UX will be terrible, Why? EU can just tell an LLM to build an alternative app, they can just tell it to make it user friendly and make no mistakes. That's the primary use case of Trillions of dollars of investment in GPUs and electricity to power them. JK(or am I?), a protest will be a boon for EU, which is growing Anti-American each and every day. The EU alternative…

I hate this so bad. You know that the solution will be that EU will block US companies (who do not comply) so EU users will eventually get their own WhatsApp called MsgMeNow. The result is that nobody can talk to people outside their own jurisdiction. This is effectively what we see in China. They only use WeChat, I was unable to register because it says I need someone to verify my account when I try to do it (this h…

Yes, that's the only way for EU to have a tech industry. That's also how any non-US tech industry exists.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by bapak »

noir_lord wrote: post #41
bArray wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As somebody from the UK, I think this is a great form of protest against the government.

Same - frankly google/alphabet should just HTTP 451 the UK (and I say that as a brit/someone in the UK). It'd be interesting to see how fast the policy would get reversed then. This was always a stupid policy and so protesting it by pulling services is one way to draw attention to that.

> should just HTTP 451 the UK

Didn't something like that happen about 15 years ago maybe due to net neutrality? Or maybe it was wikipedia's black outs over SOPA.

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