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Re: Open Social

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Post by debugnik »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #216
doctorpangloss wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not meant as a criticism at all, I like Bevy. Are you familiar with the Mr. Beast PowerPoint that said: > Your goal here is to make the best YOUTUBE videos possible. That’s the number one goal of this production company. It’s not to make the best produced videos. Not to make the funniest videos. Not to make the best looking videos. Not the highest quality videos.. It’s to make the best YOUTUBE videos possible…

> Your goal here is to make the best GITHUB OPEN SOURCE game engine possible. That sounds awful if applied to Bevy, and seems you misunderstand what "Mr. Beast" is trying to say. They're not saying make the best game engine, but make the game engine that would do best by GitHub-popular metrics, which is absolutely the wrong way to go. I hope they continue to simply make the best game engine available, as before, and…

They didn't misunderstand, they're calling out Bevy's priorities.

Bevy is still incomplete as an engine. AFAIK there's only one commercially successful game made with it, Tiny Glade, and it doesn't even use Bevy's renderer but a custom one.

Yet the Bevy developers distract the project with essays and debates about the politics of their federated social media presence. You don't need that to build a game engine, but you do to build a "GITHUB OPEN SOURCE" game engine. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, but that's clearly the focus here.

Re: Open Social

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Post by infinitifall »

wsve wrote: post #278

The author is talking about owning a domain and how having that domain gives you ownership over your data... But I can't but think that, at least in the US, domain names are rented from private Internet service providers. There is no ownership involved. One way or another, we are still paying a company. The assumption of the article is that ISPs are stable and net neutral enough that one would not worry about the ISP…

There are clearnet websites for flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, cults, hacker groups, classified document leakers, nazi groups and terrorist organisations. Finding a registrar that lets you say what you want is a solved problem.

Re: Open Social

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Post by gr__or »

wsve wrote: post #278

The author is talking about owning a domain and how having that domain gives you ownership over your data... But I can't but think that, at least in the US, domain names are rented from private Internet service providers. There is no ownership involved. One way or another, we are still paying a company. The assumption of the article is that ISPs are stable and net neutral enough that one would not worry about the ISP…

While I agree with the sentiment, I think it confuses ISPs with registrars. There are still many ISPs that do that service as well, it's less common than it used to be.

It is quite common for national TLDs (like .de, .jp or .cn) to be managed by not-for-profit entities, under contract with their respective governments... which might also not be great wrt censorship.

There is also the general issue of equal access, where shorter, more memorable domains get more expensive and hodling domain names is only disincentivized for people without enough funds. I would very much like to see an alternative system to domain names, probably something more in the web of trust space.

Re: Open Social

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Post by debugnik »

cropcirclbureau wrote: post #209
doctorpangloss wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not meant as a criticism at all, I like Bevy. Are you familiar with the Mr. Beast PowerPoint that said: > Your goal here is to make the best YOUTUBE videos possible. That’s the number one goal of this production company. It’s not to make the best produced videos. Not to make the funniest videos. Not to make the best looking videos. Not the highest quality videos.. It’s to make the best YOUTUBE videos possible…

Community drama has always been the achilles heel of large, open-source projects which are volunteer driven. Focus on community is critical to delivering this, especially when your product relies on mind share.

In my experience, focus on community is how you get community drama in the first place.

Re: Open Social

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Post by wilt6269 »

I can’t help but cringe whenever I see a Bluesky fan stubbornly clinging to the past by calling X ‘Twitter.’ This one went even further - using the old logo and even the outdated URL.

Re: Open Social

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Post by nasso_dev »

vermilingua wrote: post #275
danabramov wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The arrows do seem to imply that commenting on my posts goes into my repo, but I'm sure that's just an imprecision trying to express an idea. The whole thing seems very cool and decentralized. The way I used arrows might’ve been a bit confusing because I use two types of them. The solid ones pointing from @alice.com downwards indicate ownership. They’re the same thing as grouping by color. All blue stuff is Alice’s.…

This makes sense but doesn’t this imply that displaying comments under a post is a very expensive operation? Also not totally clear to me (apologies if I missed it in the post) is where repositories live, I have a bsky account with my own domain, but I am not running anything to host a repo. Am I correct in assuming that bsky is hosting my repo, but I would have the option to self host or move it elsewhere and contin…

Displaying comments is cheap because the AppView (the "cache" layer that consumes the aggregated feed of records from the relay) can maintain a relational database of the social web/graph.

When it receives a post, it creates a row in the Post table. When it receives a comment, it creates a row in the Comment table, which has a column pointing to the Post it's replying to. Then, getting all comments under a post is easy SQL.

About your second question: yes, you're correct. What handle you use and where your data is hosted are completely separate matters.

Re: Open Social

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Post by dave1010uk »

wilt6269 wrote: post #285

I can’t help but cringe whenever I see a Bluesky fan stubbornly clinging to the past by calling X ‘Twitter.’ This one went even further - using the old logo and even the outdated URL.

That was an example of a social media company changing, with users not being able to migrate their data. Scroll a bit further and you'll see X.

Re: Open Social

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Post by nairboon »

wsve wrote: post #278

The author is talking about owning a domain and how having that domain gives you ownership over your data... But I can't but think that, at least in the US, domain names are rented from private Internet service providers. There is no ownership involved. One way or another, we are still paying a company. The assumption of the article is that ISPs are stable and net neutral enough that one would not worry about the ISP…

There are alternatives to DNS, like GNS (GNU Name System): https://www.gnunet.org/en/gns.html

Re: Open Social

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Post by utopiah »

Any implementation if I don't care? Like if I want my Web application to support either ATProto, AP, and eventually whatever else is around the corner even if it means only have the lowest common denominator?

Re: Open Social

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Post by cy6erlion »

Great post. Why use Social Media when you can use your own blog with RSS. I think it's because of Network effects, Social Media gives you an identity/address within a social network that has demand for your posts and a supply of posts that interests you. The Social Network itself should be vybrant for strong Network Effects to take place, this is inherently centralizing sorta like super markets. Thus the idea of Decentralization and Social Media don't go well together.

Decentralization is also more complex for the developers and particularly for the users, this creates a market for people offering services to operate decentralized systems, which ends up centralizing the network. This is how the WWW, Email, Git, BTC all got more and more centralized.

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