Governments should be transparent and the people should be opaque. Any government that attempts to make things otherwise looses legitimacy.
Yes, I love this idea. I've heard it framed as "Transparency for the powerful and privacy for the weak."
ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has nothing to do with csam and arguing that point is on purpose, to distract people and the politicians can say “xp84 supports child pornography!” It has everything to do with censorship and complete control over people’s ability to communicate. Politicians hate free speech and they want to control their citizens completely including their thoughts. This is true evil.
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> if you can read all communications
But you can't. You can legally require messages to implement client side scanning before the encryption happens or add some backdoor keys and hope they don't leak.
Since cryptography is known anybody can always just create messengers that just don't implement that requirement. If you sexually abuse children the hurdle to illegally running a non-backdoored messenger seems pretty low to me.
Thats like fighting illegal street races by implementing electronically-GPS-enforced tempolimits for everybody. You won't catch the people it is meant to catch. Only that surveilling your entire population minus the criminals has dire consequences for a free society.
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#283The number of people in these threads defending involuntary bugging of every phone because you can devil-advocate it maybe might actually save the children is insane for a forum called Hacker News. Either the contrarian population has been getting out of hand, or we have truly lost our minds and stand to lose what remains of our civil liberties.
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
No offendings are not an expression. What do you express with them, poor anger management? Your right to something ends were a right of someone else is violated. That's the case here.
> Your right to something ends were a right of someone else is violated. That's the case here. Ah yes, that memorable trifecta: Life, Liberty, and the Right to Never Hear Mean Words.
Oral violence also has consequences. From invoking or reinforcing mental diseases over fear and isolation to blackmail and being socially judged on while being innocent. Do you accept random beatings when people feel like it on the street?
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#285From the article, the current flavor of "threat" this is being positioned to fight is CSAM. Does anyone believe that predators commit those heinous offenses because of the availability of encrypted channels to distribute those products of their crimes? I sure don't. The materials exist because of predators' access to children, which these surveillance measures won't solve. Best case scenario (and this is wildly optim…
Is text-only CSAM even a thing?
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm responding to: >>> Remove the first and last comma and the sentence works splendidly >> Until then, the commas are officially part of the text. > Comma rules change over time. Maybe the equivalence of the sentence at drafting, today is without commas?
That depends on the opinions of 9 very specific individuals. How the text and its commas might be interpreted by you or I today is irrelevant.
But you chose to tell us about your interpretation. :-)
I had less the current legal interpretation and more the meaning at the time of writing down, as it would reveal itself in current text, in mind, which is relevant to this argument.
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#287Dear citizens of the EU:
If this gets pushed through, you will gradually lose control of your government much like how the people of the UK already lost control of theirs.
What are you going to do when the government's interests inevitably drift out of alignment with yours? Start a political movement? You will have the police knocking on your door for criticizing the establishment.
Start a revolution? You have no weapons. You can't even organize a resistance because all channels of communication are monitored.
You have neither the pen nor the sword. There is no longer an incentive for the government to serve you, and so it eventually won't.
No amount of protest will recover the freedom you once had. You're heading towards a society where everyone feels oppressed but no one can do anything about it.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem it's trying to solve is mass surveillance...
You mean like the mass surveillance already implemented by Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon? That's already here. I think you should consider that this law might be aiming at some other goal.
Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft and Amazon cannot send armed men to my front door.
Yes, they (well, google and amazon, I don't have accounts with other vendors) can terminate my accounts, but, to be honest, it is not big deal for me, especially comparing to be dragged out of my house by police, especially now, when I live in EU with residence permit and not full citizenship.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chat Control wants to require on-device scanning, so if this becomes common they can move to mandating scanning at the OS or browser level as well.
Good luck convincing American tech to take on a liability like this. There's a reason big tech is moving to e2e encryption like Signal and it isn't user privacy. Telling governments to fuck off because you don't have the data limits liability.
"Luck" wasn't what coerced American tech businesses into subsuming the PRISM program liability. Your naivete is admirable though.
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#290I think many outside of EU dismiss this as an EU only thing and don't think much about it.
1. Have you ever texted someone from EU? You are now chat controlled too.
2. EU is pumping billions to foreign countries to promote EU values. How long until they condition this "help" with chat control?