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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by bee_rider »

fabrice_d wrote: post #204
FinnKuhn wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before they swapped Edge over to use Chromium they were capable of maintaining their own engine just fine. Probably not overnight, but in the past they have shown that they have the budget to support a browser engine if they want to.

Why do you think they moved to Chromium then? They switched because they could not support a competitive engine by themselves.

They were facing the same problem that everybody is—Google adds features too fast to keep up. If Google went in a bad direction with Chrome, they’d Microsoft would just have to keep up with Mozilla and Apple.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by doublerabbit »

epistasis wrote: post #174
jorvi wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

> Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. Why would people trust Microsoft more than Google, though? Even with really bad actions, switching browsers is very difficult (i.e. it requires making an active choice and change about an obscure topic) and I don't see normal people doing it, which is what would be required for this to happen. Microsoft can't get any traction f…

Edge solely exists to keep the Windows OS bundled with their own browser.

My 70 year old mother doesn't want the faff of installing Firefox so Edge fits the bill. It provides for her, her needs. I've installed Firefox and it sits untouched.

Microsoft doesn't care if people use it or not. It's easier and cheaper for them to integrate as Chromium does than it is to upkeep Trident. It's not their business too.

My take to why they chose Chromium is that Firefox (Netscape) has always been seen as an independent rebel.

Microsoft is corporate as is Google. I'm sure some backhand deals too.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by osigurdson »

I haven't tried Omarchy but based on DHH videos, while I like the idea, I'd say it is a little too opinionated - including random stuff that DHH likes / uses on a day-to-day basis and by his employees.

It also kind of begs the question, how deep in the "supply chain" should support go. Maybe if the Hyprland folks got a bit more sponsorship the setup would be easy. The same goes for Arch itself (though I do think some of the "squirrel catchers" are there on purpose).

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by 1718627440 »

bstsb wrote: post #125
jorvi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browser attestation doesn't really matter, its device attestation. Browser attestation is downstream from that. Google with SafetyNet attestation (whatever the hell its called these days) has pretty much locked down Android as tightly as iOS at this point. Hell, Apple device users already get to go in the internet "approved" fast lane because of attestation. iDevices and M-series Macbooks can send out a special respo…

i'd be surprised if it was actually illegal. "operating system" isn't a protected characteristic in law

Access to public resources is. Companies aren't even allowed to dictate what can be installed on their OS anymore.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by altfredd »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #262
boomboomsubban wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

A month ago Arch came under ddos attack. DHH and others were offering to either pay for or get Cloudflare to sponsor antiddos protection for Arch. Instead of accepting the offers or even saying why they won't various Arch services were down for almost a month. Then Arch published https://archlinux.org/news/recent-services-outages/ essentially saying that they are seeking ideologically pure service

Arch (and most FOSS Linux distributions) are highly resistant to ddos attacks.

Good luck trying to ddos their mirrors and mailing lists.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sonar_un »

Avicebron wrote: post #52
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #35

I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?

Omarchy is DHH of rails fame. Lots of us like ruby a lot (myself very much included), that being said I've got Omarchy running on a vm as a test case and in the <2 minutes I've looked at it i dont really think it's very intuitive.

I spent 2 days trying to get it to run in a VM and it was not playing well. So I just gave it up.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by l___l »

JeremyNT wrote: post #105
robinhood wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. This is quite simple and history bears it out: you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value. When VC money is flowing, you see things that look li…

> you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value.

I would like to understand where this breaks down. Would a for-profit individual be more reliable? Would a non-profit? At which point does quality deteriorate?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

okanat wrote: post #239
pkulak wrote: post #167

Why is it that Servo has been around for ages, chugging along, making progress, and then Ladybird comes along and gets, pretty much instantly, anointed as the last great hope against Chrome? What does everyone else know about Servo that I don't?

Servo was a side-project. Mozilla laid off the Servo team. Its development then stopped. It eventually found a home in Linux Foundation but it lost the initial acceleration. It lost the ambition. Many key developers moved on. Whatever nature your project is, closed or open source, when you lose key people and stop training new ones, the project slowly dies. People matter much much more than the license or the parent…

There is a leader with a strong vision sure, but how long will he stick with it? We’ve seen him completely abandon a few projects now.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by micaleel »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #222
pmdr wrote: post #196

ITT: some of you would rather see Omarchy fail and thus Linux desktop adoption slowed down because you don't agree with DHH's 'controversial' political views. Guess we'll have to keep waiting for someone with a 'clean' record to show up and promote Linux.

[flagged]

This is the only situation where I'd fault the messenger and discard the message. DHH has been a huge turn-off for me since I discovered his ideology.

Omarchy is not for me.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by TiredOfLife »

altfredd wrote: post #285
TiredOfLife wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A month ago Arch came under ddos attack. DHH and others were offering to either pay for or get Cloudflare to sponsor antiddos protection for Arch. Instead of accepting the offers or even saying why they won't various Arch services were down for almost a month. Then Arch published https://archlinux.org/news/recent-services-outages/ essentially saying that they are seeking ideologically pure service

Arch (and most FOSS Linux distributions) are highly resistant to ddos attacks. Good luck trying to ddos their mirrors and mailing lists.

Literally August and parts of September

https://status.archlinux.org/788139639/calendar

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