Would lidar detect such debris?
Cameras, like the other lidar-using companies also have, would just like they should here. Teslas problems go beyond a lack of Lidar.
Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
They never said they did.
I mean, those were direct quotes and it was literally half of their comment, but, sure, "they never said they did".
I think they meant the person you were responding to never claimed that the person they were responding to said that we should tolerate self driving systems that are no better than the worse of us, not that the person that the person you were responding to was responding to never said the thing you very clearly directly quoted.
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#283Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#284One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…
> One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions.
I've written off pretty much everything he says since sometime before 2020, too many lies about self-driving to count.
But I'm not someone with any influence (nor do I really want that kind of attention).
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#285Respect to these guys for commiting to the bit and letting the Tesla hit it. This is real journalism. Stark contrast to so much of the staged engagement-bait on YouTube.
I noticed that, too. They seemed to tense up and notice it with enough time to spare to manually intervene and either slam on the brakes or swerve to avoid it.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
They never said they did.
I mean, those were direct quotes and it was literally half of their comment, but, sure, "they never said they did".
I think you might have misunderstood someone here. The person you quoted made a generic statement about what we should expect from an autonomous vehicle, but never said (nor implied imho) that the person he responds to didn't expect the same.
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#287Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?
I find that open bed pickup trucks contribute a lot to stuff on the freeways.
Your rake is much less likely to fall out of a van than out of the bed of a pickup.
So if stuff can't fall out, it won't get cleaned up.
Second, this is a metal ramp used to load vehicles on a trailer (think bobcat-like).
To tow a trailer like that in Europe requires additional licenses, which comes with training around tying down EVERYTHING and double checking.
In the USA you are allowed to drive with this with the same license you need to drive a Smart Car.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#288A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.
Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…
> Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations,
This was not one of those situations.
and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations.
Again, this was definitely not one of those situations. It was large, it was in their lane, and they were even yapping about it for 10 seconds.
> But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road ahead, able to identify dangerous debris, and react accordingly. So, different pair of shoes...
This is what humans already (and if we didn't do it, we'd be driving off the road). Based on what you're saying, I question that you're familiar with driving a car, or at least driving on a highway between cities.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might have also noticed that the pavement is terrible. Mostly this comes down to the fact that in Europe the fuel taxes 3-4x ours.
Fuel tax is a big factor, but US has a lot of road. The US has 3x the amount of paved surface vs. Germany. European winters are also milder than the US. I'm not sure how many European roads would survive going from -10 to 140 like they do in the midwest
Actually, that's surprisingly little roads in the US. The population is significantly larger (more than 3x), so on a per person basis roads in Germany see much more use than in the US. And roads there are in a much better state than in the use despite the higher usage rate.
So also as a consequence of this: If the US were to use the same per person $ amount to upkeep their roads, US roads would have WAY more money to be maintained. Yet, the outcome is obviously worse.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah! Just add more sensors! We're only 992 more sensors away from full self-driving! It totally works that way! The debris? The very visible piece of debris? The piece of debris that a third party camera inside the car did in fact see? Adding 2 radars and 5 LIDARs would totally solve that! For fuck's sake, I am tired of this worn out argument. The bottleneck of self-driving isn't sensors. It was never sensors. The b…
You want the AI to take the camera's uncertainty about a road-colored object and do an emergency maneuver? You don't want to instead add a camera that sees metal and concrete like night and day?