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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by alwa »

someperson wrote: post #257
dotnet00 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

Abandon is the wrong word. Should the country receiving the immigrants let elderly grandparents be cared for by their own country's pension and aged-care and healthcare industry, instead of burdening the receiving countries? Absolutely unequivocally yes. The grandparents can always come visit on tourist visas and the immigrants can visit their original country too.

What if, as a condition of the visa [0], the sponsoring high-performing immigrant guarantees that the relative won’t become a public charge, and becomes legally bound to reimburse the public purse if that happens?

I seem to recall the notion that elderly people are normally isolated, atomized wards of the “aged-care industry” as a relatively recent innovation, no? Versus people seeking to bring elderly relatives to reproduce the sort of multigenerational households that more traditionally handled aging care, and that do that today in other parts of the world?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_charge_rule

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by dotnet00 »

someperson wrote: post #257
dotnet00 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

Abandon is the wrong word. Should the country receiving the immigrants let elderly grandparents be cared for by their own country's pension and aged-care and healthcare industry, instead of burdening the receiving countries? Absolutely unequivocally yes. The grandparents can always come visit on tourist visas and the immigrants can visit their original country too.

Can you explain why "move to another country with your family, leaving your elderly parents to fend for themselves" is not abandoning ones parents? Most of the world doesn't believe that old people having a roof over their heads and access to healthcare is all it takes for them to not be considered abandoned.

Even moreso with arbitrary rule changes with zero deadlines meaning they can't even necessarily fly back in emergencies without risking losing their status in the US?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

notmyjob wrote: post #267

Doesn’t seem fair to the companies that employ these people. It’s obviously a hidden tax on large tech companies like x and Tesla that hire a lot of global talent.

Doesn't seem fair to the citizens that live here. We should be taxing companies that have international leverage more.

¢¢

–– Citizen, former Data Center Electrician (still blue collar — I'll eagerly do the work if paid citizen-wages!)

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by [deleted] »

someperson wrote: post #257
dotnet00 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

Abandon is the wrong word. Should the country receiving the immigrants let elderly grandparents be cared for by their own country's pension and aged-care and healthcare industry, instead of burdening the receiving countries? Absolutely unequivocally yes. The grandparents can always come visit on tourist visas and the immigrants can visit their original country too.

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by Matthyze »

HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

That's terrible. Best of luck to you both.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by vachina »

HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

What is your nationality if you don’t mind me asking?

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Post by pimlottc »

mkoc wrote: post #215
xtracto wrote: post #197

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I feel for you. I just wonder, at this point why would someone look to go back to the US "At any price", given how bad are they being treated? From what I can see, it seems most of us non-US people are "persona non grata" in the US. I myself am and live in a so called "shithole country ". But specially because of my Technical skills, I've got plenty of opportunities over here. I would never think on living in the USA…

Consider they have a life, a house/appartment, all things they own,… there. Would you give all that up without at least trying to get back?

And even if you decide it's time to leave, you'd still want to come back and settle your affairs and plan a proper move. You wouldn't want to leave everything behind, especially if you only brought enough for a brief trip.

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Post by zo1 »

dira3 wrote: post #186
rayiner wrote: post #172

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You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

Democracy isn't supposed to be two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. There are supposed to be checks and balances. One reason we are in the current situation is because we have discarded these checks and balances, allowing for the president to behave more like an autocratic monarch. If the other branches of government were performing their constitutional function, and if the executive observed the n…

That is exactly what Democracy is. The only difference is people that are now complaining have, up until recently, actually been "the wolves", and now that they're outnumbered on certain topics and country-wide decisions they complain about the concept itself.

How do you think the people on the other side have felt till now?

The checks and balances only acted as a way to hide the true nature of government.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by wayeq »

dira3 wrote: post #186
rayiner wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re using the term “democracy” in an Orwellian way. The people voted for the guy who promised mass deportations. There were signs and everything. Multiple surveys have found that, if everyone had voted, he would have won by an even larger margin. https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-elec... A non-functioning democracy would be if the people voted this way and mass deportations didn’t happen. Lik…

Democracy isn't supposed to be two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. There are supposed to be checks and balances. One reason we are in the current situation is because we have discarded these checks and balances, allowing for the president to behave more like an autocratic monarch. If the other branches of government were performing their constitutional function, and if the executive observed the n…

> if the executive observed the norms it's supposed to

QE should have caught that bug before it went into production

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