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Israel seems like a very ineffective bully considering that the UN consistently condemns them the most vs. any other country in the world. https://unwatch.org/un-condemns-israel-17-times-6-on-rest-of... But for me, this says more about the nature of the UN than that of Israel.
Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza
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#282It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.
People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.
It was unambiguously clear that no matter how bad you felt Obama/Biden/Harris were on Israel, Trump was/would be worse.
If every single human life is worth saving (and it is), it's indisputable that Trump is worse for Gaza than Harris would have been.
It was the ultimate Trolley Problem, and a bunch of progressives acted like pulling the switch on move the trolley is NEVER acceptable regardless of how many lives it saves...
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I find it funny people still find the UN legitimate. They still haven't criticised Hamas attack I find it funny that you have to lie so much. They did, it's easy to find. My father is from a Christian orphanage in east Jerusalem. My grandmother hosted sisters and priests from Israel who worked in schools, hospice and orphanage all over the two countries. UN school programs there had a lot of issues, but being relig…
UNRWA schoolbooks for you: https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education... and first UN general assembly resolution condemning hamas attack is the one from the past week that speaks about recognition of palestinian state. unless you can find different one
> Condemning all acts of violence aimed at Palestinian and Israeli civilians, including all acts of terrorism and indiscriminate attacks, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction
https://docs.un.org/en/A/ES-10/L.25
The UN has been condemning the Hamas terrorist attacks from the start.
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#286I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.
Consider that the videos of Oct 7 had a similar effect on lots of decent people. The un is the same now as it was before October 7. In gueterres words "it didn't happen in a vacuum". The complete loss of credibility for the un also didn't happen in a vacuum. Even if their report is true it will fall on deaf ears thanks in no small part to their lack of any sort of objectivity when it comes to Israel.
Pew says only 52% percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of UN in 2024 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/most-peop...
On a political or legal level for Israel it might have more implications though, that is impossible for them to ignore, but ICJ will focus on the leaders who can avoid visiting certain countries...just like Putin.
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#287This is not tech related and does not belong on hacker news
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
Israel systematically abducts, tortures, and imprisons Palestinians old and young with reckless abandon. I hate to defend Hamas, but the goal of the abductions was to use them as a bargaining chip to get their own captives who'd been unjustly imprisoned in hellish conditions, for years on end. Settlers in the West Bank openly murder Palestinians like animals, as well. The State of Israel is a violent terrorist state.
While I agree that Israel do all these illegal things, abductions, murders, letting settlers do whatever and so on, I think on a deeper level the Hamas attack was an Iranian proxy attack and to them, bargaining chips and hostages are just details. They play a dirty game.
Occam's Razor indicates that it was a legitimate operation by Hamas and Israel underestimated their adversary.
https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-october-7-attack-an-assessment...
https://www.realinstitutoelcano.org/en/analyses/guard-down-d...
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/05/nx-s1-5318591/israel-shin-bet...
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UNRWA schoolbooks for you: https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education... and first UN general assembly resolution condemning hamas attack is the one from the past week that speaks about recognition of palestinian state. unless you can find different one
United Nations General Assembly Resolution ES-10/21 (Oct. 27th 2023): > Condemning all acts of violence aimed at Palestinian and Israeli civilians, including all acts of terrorism and indiscriminate attacks, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction https://docs.un.org/en/A/ES-10/L.25 The UN has been condemning the Hamas terrorist attacks from the start.