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Not everything is about the economy, but someone's gotta pay for it.
Well, for the next century we'll keep pretending kids don't matter. We've done it for the past 50 years, already. Let's see how far that gets us as a species.
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> You realize a lot of people actually prefer to give their child their best instead of outsourcing it My wife and I staggered our work schedules to minimize the time spent at daycare. The one thing we didn’t expect: The kids absolutely loved daycare. It was a great place with excellent caretakers. Most of all, it was socialization with their friends. From reading sneering interment comments (like the one above) I wa…
Exactly this. There are so many benefits to day care for the children. It’s hardly the prison camp people make it out to be. I don’t know if these negative comments are because HN in general dislikes the wider educational system, or if it’s because they dislike governments handing out “charity” to help less affluent families. Maybe a touch of both? But daycare can actually be a really rewarding experience for childre…
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Your anecdote is just that. All of it is highly dependent on the child, their environment, and the 'educator'. Please don't make assumptions based on your limited exposure; it's not helpful.
Your "it depends" argument is that some kids aren't social, don't like playing with other kids, are better off not having exposure to social interaction with peers and practice talking. If this is the criticism then it's a glowing endorsement of daycare and school.
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Worse. Not just a "stranger" but a subset of strangers running "real businesses". I would rather my kid be raised by a) spouse b) grandparents c) no-habla cash only daycare (who are catering to customers who's average values are much closer to mine than an above the table business). Only after all those options are exhausted do I look toward a "real business". So basically this is a subsidy of the 4th place option.
> Worse. Not just a "stranger" but a subset of strangers running "real businesses". Real businesses subject to real inspections and real assessments, you mean? With "strangers" who need to have qualifications and background checks? To each their own of course but I'd prefer somewhere I know is actually judged to be a safe environment than some under the table option.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect the former to have ADA compliant doors or hot water that meets state regulations but the "give a fuck factor" is just so, so, so much higher when someone is working out of their own home, one of their own kids is in the mix, the rest of them are kids of a friend or friend of a friend, etc, than it is when your kid is being looked after by some 20yo college kid who's doing this part time.
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Universal access to essential services
By the time US decides it's a good idea, they would run out of money and the whole world will laugh and point fingers on em.
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>no-habla cash only daycare Yo, what the fuck HN?
You send your kid to the daycare run by foreigners to learn a language. I send my kid to the daycare run by foreigners to learn cultural values. WeAreNotTheSame.jpg
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I feel like unionizing really hasn't done much for teachers. They're paid poorly, the conditions are still poor, they don't seem to get much help. Yay teacher's union?
Teachers union(s) are some of the highest profile anti union targets in the US as well. There’s also issues on a structural level that leads to poor compensation for teachers vs other government positions. Really school funding and public education in the US in general is in a very strange place across the board and has been for decades
The results for a given teacher are poor no matter what the reasons, it's a bad "hey get a union" rallying cry IMO.
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There is something sad about not spending as much time as you possibly can with your children in their younger years, though.
Are you open to the idea that spending every possible moment with your young child may not be the best thing for the kid?
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I appreciate your optimism but I’m skeptical. I dated someone who worked in child care (with a degree in ECE). She was quite miserable caring for a dozen screaming babies all day. I think the burnout and turnover for such a job (which requires a degree but still paid minimum wage) is likely to be extremely high. The other thing that doesn’t make sense to me is the economics of it. The pay for the staff is very low bu…
What sort of huge overhead is there that dwarfs the pay for low-paid staff?
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One of the reasons to care for your own kids is you can give them individual attention. Unless you have so many kids that you are only caring for your own anyway your plan diverts their attention away to other kids (or those other kids get less attention)
The argument is that stay at home parents should get the same credit as childcare providers because they perform the same service to society. If you're only caring for your own kids, you are providing significantly less to society than those caring for many kids. You want to focus on raising your own kids, that's fine, but do it on your dime.
And getting paid considerably less. You're almost certainly providing proportionally more for your pay.
A childcare provider can register and only look after 1 child, usually, but wouldn't because they want/need more income.
Presumably nannies (careworker for children from a single family) are registered childcare providers where you are; would a nanny be subsidised able to get paid with a subsidy?