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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by sgt101 »

asdff wrote: post #265
jonfw wrote: post #236

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People way overstate the "dynamics" advantages of EVs Yes EVs can keep their weight low, but it's a lot more weight to deal with. Yes EVs have excellent 0-60, but that's just because they have a great launch. Even doing a 5-60 pull removes the EV advantage. Starting from highway speeds? EVs start to look real slow. There are some good traits to EVs but, outside of launching hard in street car trim, performance is not…

That 0-10mph response is way too twitchy in most EVs i've ridden. The old teslas were not like this. I'm not sure what package my friends model 3 is or if it comes down to his lead foot but I feel nauseous in that car. Its a combination of that instant torque and the suspension sort of feeling like one of those play horses on a spring you see in playgrounds.

There's something wrong with your friend's model 3. If I stand on my accelerator it goes straight (if set straight) and the suspension (set on sport) is hard.

It's not M5 BMW hard, but it's hard. I guess that if you have a performance variant then maybe it would be.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by mikepavone »

wffurr wrote: post #270
Workaccount2 wrote: post #256

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I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

"driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions" What driving assist platform? I don't think the older Chevy Bolts have any such thing. At least I'm pretty sure my 2017 doesn't.

IIRC, the EUV had an option for normal adaptive cruise control, but I don't think any ever had a Super Cruise style option

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by quitit »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #105
quitit wrote: post #81

Something which this article highlights is the lack of reliable rail in the USA. Where I am there is a decent rail network, and the rail provider has a fleet of EVs for rent, where the cost of the electricity is included. This provides a "green" last mile solution even if the public transport itself in each area may be lacking (often it's not however). So a trip looks like this: Hop on the train which quickly takes t…

High speed rails would involve large scale manufacturing and long-term planning. This is the one thing the US simply cannot do anymore (unless it's military, then they will make 300ish in a decade)

High speed rail is definitely not a requirement. Ordinary trains are still faster than driving.

What the USA lacks is a robust network. The spread of rail is too thin to be useful for everyday use.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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magicalhippo wrote: post #143
masklinn wrote: post #25

> Lack of standards: For 'L3' DC Fast Charging, the Leaf has a CHAdeMO port. Teslas and many newer EVs have NACS. Then there's CCS1 and CCS2. And charging stations are run by multiple vendors with multiple apps and payment methods. It's not like gas stations, like with Shell, BP, Buckee's, etc. where you just drive up, stick the gas nozzle in your tank, and squeeze. Afaik in Europe, CCS2 is the standard (and mandator…

> And that the rental company (AVIS) does not provide an AC adapter Here in Norway, new EVs are no longer allowed to be sold with AC adapters, due to the potential fire hazard. At least that's the reason I got when I purchased my current EV. Perhaps a EU thing, wouldn't surprise me.

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by nartho »

m463 wrote: post #261

that's not cheap. Cheap is the older leafs, which go for $3k. https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cta?auto_make_model=niss... I bought a 2012 for $7500 in 2016 and drove it for several years. 1. chargers suck. there was evgo, blink, chargepoint. Most locations had 1 or most 2 DC fast chargers, but frequently they didn't work or were busy. Not reliable. 2. range was less that expected, even if you update expectations.…

A while ago I bought an older leaf because I had an expensive commute. Battery was ok when I bought it but it degraded very quickly. Doing my commute in winter with the heater and radio off going 10 under hoping to make it to my job where I could charge it was not fun.

I now own a corolla hybrid and I enjoy cheap commutes without the fear of running out of juice

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #266
chelmzy wrote: post #255

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Until September 30th so better hurry.

Note that many HN residents probably have too much MAGI - do your diligence on that tax credit before assuming you qualify.

The way dealerships roll rebates into their advertised prices is incredibly annoying if you don’t qualify. I kind of wonder if prices aren’t being inflated somewhat by dealers being able to put numbers that are ~$10k lower than reality out there.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by blank_fan_pill »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #256
chelmzy wrote: post #251

Crazy he wouldn't go for a Bolt. I just bought a 2019 Chevy Bolt w/ 11k miles for $14.5k (so a bit over 10k after federal rebate). It has a brand new battery because all the Bolts were recalled for battery issues. Has around 250m range. Feel like I won the lottery. Still plenty of them available https://www.donohooauto.com/searchused.aspx?Make=Chevrolet&M...

I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

> it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

If you're buying a car as an investment I have bad news for you...

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by dzhiurgis »

geerlingguy wrote: post #171
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #134

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Ignoring any PR or political motivations, I’d argue the Leaf is a better choice for many people. I’m biased as I have one, quite similar, but let me give a pros from my perspective: - a traditional car feeling, knobs, buttons, the way cars have been for decades prior - very very reliable. basically never needs anything except wiper fluid. no software updates or crashing. I don’t have stats but might be one of most re…

Also CarPlay, which was on my shortlist of features I actually cared for in any newer car. Silly of Tesla to not support it out of the box (IMO).

CarPlay is trash tho. Had a rental again last weekend. It’s core feature - google maps wrapper - is just barely useable. Sure it does other things, but it’s not worth the hassle.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by msh »

barbazoo wrote: post #280
msh wrote: post #229

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https://aminacharging.com/articles/can-i-charge-my-car-in-a-...

> And since your car needs so much power stored in its battery to drive, it will probably pull more power than any other electrical appliance in your home. Probably? No, it pulls less than my dryer which runs at 240V15A I think but also just the same as my 1500W space heater. You can totally control how much power the charger should draw. > With that much power, there’s a risk of overheating and fire. Unlike a dedica…

Your dryer will load the socket for far less time than a car charger and will probably not use 15A for the entire drying cycle.

It’s the long charge time that leads to heat buildup, not the max amp.

Where I am from standard outlets can deliver 16A but are not rated for more than 6A if the load is longer than 2 hours.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by com2kid »

mikepavone wrote: post #282
wffurr wrote: post #270

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"driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions" What driving assist platform? I don't think the older Chevy Bolts have any such thing. At least I'm pretty sure my 2017 doesn't.

IIRC, the EUV had an option for normal adaptive cruise control, but I don't think any ever had a Super Cruise style option

The euv does have a super cruise option, the car next to the one I bought had it. Came into the showroom the day after I signed my paperwork. :(
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