There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.
Good point. Glad someone pointed this out
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the only vision of the future being offered is one of impending doom and urbanist intellectual memes I agree with this. Far too many European countries have no optimistic or even productive outlooks on the future, instead seeming to trade in a form of pessimistic reductionism. Eat less, do less, be less. However: > it's no wonder that immigrants wouldn't want to buy into your culture Then why do they stay as long a…
>I would never move to a country I don't respect, let alone stay to drain resources and give nothing back. Hey, good for you. But there are many societies where making a living without working is something to be proud of. I know because I live in one.
In my perspective it's not that complicated. I'd like to have a good life and I would like for every other human on the planet to also have a good life sustainably. I think it's a rather optimistic vision.
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#283Remarkable hostility and strange circular logic from some people posting here. Clearly belief outstrips evidence. If research suggests there's an observable asymptotic trend, public health dollars at the very least might be better spent on quality of life as much as quantity. The posts saying an atom of oxygen is potentially infinitely long lived (ignoring radioactive decay?) As a "proof" that life extension has no l…
I don't have to be hostile to be somewhat skeptical about mechanical extensions of current trends into distant future.
An analyst living in 1825 could analyze the traffic stats to conclude that the era of increasing land travel speeds is coming to a close because the horses can't run any faster, and an analyst living in 1975 could analyze the telecom stats to conclude that international calls are always going to cost much more than local calls and remain somewhat of a luxury, particularly in the developing world.
In both cases, technological changes intervened.
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#284There are plenty of longevity things and new meds still being researched. Living longer is possible and there are a fair number of people who make it to 100 all things considered. However, life expectancy reaching 100 does seem unlikely to me. With the issues of drugs and obesity being rampant in many parts of the population, what can we expect?
Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I would never move to a country I don't respect, let alone stay to drain resources and give nothing back. Hey, good for you. But there are many societies where making a living without working is something to be proud of. I know because I live in one.
In my perspective it's not that complicated. I'd like to have a good life and I would like for every other human on the planet to also have a good life sustainably. I think it's a rather optimistic vision.
Also an unrealistic one. A lot of hard work is necessary for that. Most people don’t want or can’t do that work.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is my life. Not yours. What you are afraid of is openly murdering people.
There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance. The only people who might require assistance and sanction are those who are so catastrophically ill that they cannot function independently at all. But MAID has already killed people who were able-bodied! (And some for stupid or trivial reasons: https://care.org.uk/news/2024/10…
> There are lots of ways for you to end your life. You do not have to involve government or society. You do not require sanction or assistance.
By the time you think suicide is the better option, you are often already in a managed and locked down environment in which it is difficult to impossible to commit suicide in an acceptable manner. Believe me I know it.
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#287I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my…
> As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my life if it could give my mom a good life for that long. Her old age is my single biggest source of stress.
That “monetary cost” is not nothing. It represents a share of the finite resources your tribe has (individual/family/city/country) being spent on something with little return for future generations.
Developed countries are asking people who put in the effort to raise kids well to support those that don’t. That works when maybe 1 in 10 people don’t raise kids well, for whatever reason, but it doesn’t work so well when large portions of the population do not.
And there very well may be a justification to not raise kids well, but the math is going to be the math regardless of justifications.
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> I'll enjoy your aesthetic traditions and take your free social welfare, but I'll keep my own culture and values, thank you very much. And I have every right to want you out of country and my taxes not to be wasted on the likes of you.
Which is why socialism is fundamentally incompatible with immigration, and why the US, being a nation of immigrants, is structured the way it is (more individualist). Nobody wants to pay for the new guy to have a luxury first world lifestyle with free healthcare, education and pension. The more a society adopts socialist policies, the less friendly to immigration it becomes. Both the US and most large European countr…
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#289People have been conditioned to think in exponential growth.
Some generations ago that was likely also a reasonable approximation.
But with the hyper growth we see today, it becomes ever clear that we always work with sigmoidal growth.
We can see that because more an more system are in the latter half of the sigmoid.
Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely
#290Remarkable hostility and strange circular logic from some people posting here. Clearly belief outstrips evidence. If research suggests there's an observable asymptotic trend, public health dollars at the very least might be better spent on quality of life as much as quantity. The posts saying an atom of oxygen is potentially infinitely long lived (ignoring radioactive decay?) As a "proof" that life extension has no l…
> If research suggests there's an observable asymptotic trend, public health dollars at the very least might be better spent on quality of life as much as quantity.
Isn’t that already the case with a ton of research going into cancer treatment, Alzheimer’s treatment and how to keep people healthy longer?
Honestly, having seen the life of my grand parents once they past 90 and especially the last 2 when they had significant dementia, I would much rather die before.
Give me a good life as long as possible and spare me and my family the worst of the decline.