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YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by littlestymaar »

exe34 wrote: post #279
littlestymaar wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how the “are they making you go on YouTube?” goalpost moved.

"going on YouTube" and complaining about shorts made it sound like you were going to the home page where shorts are shown as an option. going on YouTube to watch a single video from a manual is a very different thing. I didn't move the goal post, I pointed out your motte and bailey position.

There no motte, and no bailey, I never talked about shorts in the first place (surprise, there are multiple users on this platform …) I just witnessed your bad faith argument about how people aren't forced to go on YouTube and proved it wrong.

The key problem isn't that YouTube has been degrading its user experience for a while, the problem is that we don't have anywhere else to go as YouTube is the most encroached monopoly in the tech scene (which is no small feat).

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by exe34 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #281
exe34 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"going on YouTube" and complaining about shorts made it sound like you were going to the home page where shorts are shown as an option. going on YouTube to watch a single video from a manual is a very different thing. I didn't move the goal post, I pointed out your motte and bailey position.

There no motte, and no bailey, I never talked about shorts in the first place (surprise, there are multiple users on this platform …) I just witnessed your bad faith argument about how people aren't forced to go on YouTube and proved it wrong. The key problem isn't that YouTube has been degrading its user experience for a while, the problem is that we don't have anywhere else to go as YouTube is the most encroached m…

the whole conversation was about YouTube shorts. I was under the impression you were arguing in good faith - my bad.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by littlestymaar »

exe34 wrote: post #282
littlestymaar wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There no motte, and no bailey, I never talked about shorts in the first place (surprise, there are multiple users on this platform …) I just witnessed your bad faith argument about how people aren't forced to go on YouTube and proved it wrong. The key problem isn't that YouTube has been degrading its user experience for a while, the problem is that we don't have anywhere else to go as YouTube is the most encroached m…

the whole conversation was about YouTube shorts. I was under the impression you were arguing in good faith - my bad.

The fact the the conversation was previously about shorts doesn't excuse bad faith rhetorical questions like “are they making you go on YouTube?”.

The funny thing is that you never gave me a slight bit of impression that you were arguing in good faith, and now you whine about that.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by exe34 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #283
exe34 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the whole conversation was about YouTube shorts. I was under the impression you were arguing in good faith - my bad.

The fact the the conversation was previously about shorts doesn't excuse bad faith rhetorical questions like “are they making you go on YouTube?”. The funny thing is that you never gave me a slight bit of impression that you were arguing in good faith, and now you whine about that.

doesn't sound like you even know what good faith is.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by npteljes »

machomaster wrote: post #248
npteljes wrote: post #69

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>How about you think stuff through before even starting to waste time on stuff like this? What makes you think they don't think it through? This effect is an experiment that they are running. It seems to be useless, unwanted from our perspective, but what if they find that it increases engagement?

> What makes you think they don't think it through? Basing it on a lot of stupid decisions youtube has made over the years, the last being the horrendous autotranslation of titles/descriptions/audio that can't be turned off. Can only be explained by having morons making decisions, who can't imagine that anyone could speak more than one language.

I think those were thought through, even maybe the specific concerns that your bring up - and then a conscious decision was made to not give a fuck about those concerns.

I don't think it's stupidity, or shortsightedness, or ignorance, or anything like that. They just have different priorities. And they are not having enough negative feedback to reconsider these decisions.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by littlestymaar »

exe34 wrote: post #284
littlestymaar wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact the the conversation was previously about shorts doesn't excuse bad faith rhetorical questions like “are they making you go on YouTube?”. The funny thing is that you never gave me a slight bit of impression that you were arguing in good faith, and now you whine about that.

doesn't sound like you even know what good faith is.

lol

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by exe34 »

moi2388 wrote: post #278
exe34 wrote: post #204

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thank goodness that in some countries we have the concept of a private life, where you don't have to like what we do and you can't stop it.

Because there is a law that says I can’t do that? Gotcha xD

Article 8 of the ECHR.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by moi2388 »

exe34 wrote: post #204
moi2388 wrote: post #202

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Yes. That’s the basis of literally every law and regulation known to man.

thank goodness that in some countries we have the concept of a private life, where you don't have to like what we do and you can't stop it.

I can’t reply to your other comment so I’ll do it here.

Article 8 can be revoked for public safety, prevention of disorder or crime, protection of the rights of other people, but also for the protection of health and morals.

Given the problems with attention spans in systems like TikTok and shorts, they definitely could ban it even given article 8.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Post by exe34 »

moi2388 wrote: post #289
exe34 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

thank goodness that in some countries we have the concept of a private life, where you don't have to like what we do and you can't stop it.

I can’t reply to your other comment so I’ll do it here. Article 8 can be revoked for public safety, prevention of disorder or crime, protection of the rights of other people, but also for the protection of health and morals. Given the problems with attention spans in systems like TikTok and shorts, they definitely could ban it even given article 8. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I was explaining the idea of a private life, sorry it went over your head.
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