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US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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"he"

Does it matter who it is specifically? And does it matter if it's a man or woman?

It doesn't matter, it just shows how grossly misinformed you are.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

In a way it kinda does though - like definitely the information ecosystem distorts things, but some people do not have (or do not exercise) the critical reasoning skills to decipher what's true from what's not. Or what issues are actually important from those that are meant to just distract - not everyone can tell the difference and see how the incentives actually point to what's going on. reply

The education system failing people is part of the issue. Why would you want people to have critical reasoning skills if you want to control their behavior through outrage.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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What would TSMC do if they couldn't sell chips to the USA? It cuts both ways, like most trade negotiations.

Is “don’t buy stuff with TSMC chips” really a valid option we have? Isn’t that basically “stop buying high technology” to a large degree?

We can use older processes if we have to. We'd be taking a step back of... maybe 5-10 years? Computers 10 years ago were not that much slower than they are today. Volume would be a bigger concern than performance. Maybe it'd force the tech industry to start writing more efficient user-facing software instead of depending on the incremental advancements made by chip designers and semi fabs.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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It seems like we're forcing the rest of the world to print dollars.

A swiss news paper wrote something along "so far the main effects seem to be the rising prices of Swiss goods in America, not really a falling market" He is threating Switzerland with 250% tariffs on meds while his people still suffer under horrendous health care prices. That man is beyond crazy

For drugs that are monopolies, tariffs actually don't impact the end price and hit the producer. In the short term, for drugs that are already on the market. In the long run, it reduces incentives to develop drugs.

Tariffs are a tax on consumers for commodities but not for monopoly products.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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I understand the push to build fabs in the US to avoid tariffs, as the US likely sees this as a strategic hedge for the global chip supply in case China disrupts Taiwan or Japan, or some other rare catastrophic event occurs. Whether it is correct or not, Trump seems to view the US as a larger version of Mar-a-Lago, so he'll always feel he can charge a premium for access to its consumer base and market while offering…

TSMC tried to build fabs in US, it doesn’t work, turns out you can’t hire top PhDs and pay them 30k and tell them it’s a lot of money

You got some wildly incomplete facts.

https://fortune.com/2023/06/03/tsmc-arizona-plant-jobs-salar...

>New engineering grads with a master’s degree earn on average $65,700 a year, while general full-time staff earn $32,800—compared to Taiwan’s average annual income of $21,700.

$32.8k for full time salaries in Taiwan, which is more than the average. And this is _general_ staff. Not engineering staff my dude.

>Another challenge is compensation. TSMC pays up to $160,000 annually “for Ph.D.s with some good experience,” says an Arizona-based CEO of a semiconductor recruitment firm hiring for TSMC. That same Ph.D. can earn some $30,000 more at Intel, according to Payscale, a website that tracks company salaries.

And that's the real number for PhDs in the US.

Quite frankly, though, they probably have less competition with Intel now that it's collasping ;)

>TSMC’s American rivals, meanwhile, are defending against its recruiting onslaught. The recruitment firm CEO says candidates have gotten “counter-offers like we’ve never seen. Intel is… giving [people] $10,000 to $20,000 to stick around. We’ve lost people that way.”

AND, if TSMC was really paying so low, their competition wouldn't be falling over themselves to pay retention bonuses.

(I also think they are probably underpaid in their current jobs and don't know it)

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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>so the logical conclusion is that American consumers will end up paying the tariffs. That’s been the point all along… they are significantly raising taxes on the bottom 90% of Americans and most are too stupid to even understand it. Gotta pay for those tax cuts for the wealthy somehow.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

> Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history.

Two things can be true at once. Being force-fed bullshit doesn’t necessarily make somebody an idiot but it also doesn’t necessarily make them not an idiot.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Does it matter who it is specifically? And does it matter if it's a man or woman?

It doesn't matter, it just shows how grossly misinformed you are.

I asked a question.... If someone gets something wrong by 10x... They suck, because they have allowed a bad process to be implemented.

Should someone be fired for basically putting out a useless metric? IMO, yes. And "well, we've always done it like this" isn't justification.

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It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

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>I recently lost my COVID kilos, 10-15kg. Was easy.

It took you five years to do that though. Why did it take that long if it was easy

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