The comments on this here make me a bit scared tbh and shows yet again what a bubble this is. You people need to get out more and socialize with actual people.
Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
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Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
#282Funded by Japanese taxpayers via 3 grants.
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My friends baby tested positive for down syndrome in one of the early screenings. They suggested termination. When my friend asked what the chances were they said on that test they had a 1 in 100 chance of down syndrome. That baby did not have down syndrome and is now a happy seven year old.
Wait, am I reading this wrong or did they suggest abortion to avoid a mere 1% risk of Down syndrome?
1% of completely ruining your life and your baby life ?. Not a chance i would take personally.
Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
#284It was well on its way to being eliminated in much of the First World through screening during pregnancy at around 2-3 months. Alot of mothers were electing to terminate the pregnancy and perhaps try again. Especially much of Europe which didn't quite have the moral objections against abortion that the US does, save for a few countries who still have substantial observant Catholics such as Ireland and Poland. Here's…
> Some bioethics experts are concerned I do have to wonder what goes on in the minds of these people. My sister-in-law has a child with Down's syndrome and the situation basically ruined her life. She can no longer work, so they now struggle on a single income, if her husband were to leave her she would be completely screwed. To what end is that in the continuance of ethics?
Does your sister-in-law have family who could support her and the child?
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Is it just me or do I feel like the society is way more accepting nowadays? I had to pretty much hide who I was during school due to fear of bullying/ not fitting in but most kids these days seem to be able to be themselves in many ways. I agree we can be friendlier though!
Probably in general, but not as much as you'd think. For example as a gay dude, people still hate gay guys (lesbians are far more accepted). But they're just much more quiet about it now, and even if they don't hate us we still "gross" many people out, which affects their decisions due to perception of us.
Unfortunately I think lesbians are only "far more accepted" in the sense that they turn on straight cunts rather than repulse them. The objectification and othering is the same.
Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
#286I read the abstract but I'm still a bit confused. Will this help people who have down syndrome? Or is it a way to help future pregnancies?
Future pregnancies.
not pregnancies in the traditional sense but IVF, as far as I understand. Many of my friends who are wealthy are doing only IVF to screen for negative genotypes
Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
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The whole world (not just America) has polarising hateful propaganda aggressively pushed at them for... oh about 2-3 generations now. There's a lot of people that have woken up to this and are loving and accepting, and sometimes it can feel like this is becoming the norm when you're able to surround yourself with that kind of person... but you're right. It isn't "the norm" it just normal enough for some lucky people.
> The whole world (not just America) has polarising hateful propaganda aggressively pushed at them for... oh about 2-3 generations now. Could you please expand on that? I have no idea what you are talking about.
Not the OP, but they're possibly referring to hatred of "others", a group far enough geographically or away from social acceptance, that people don't see any issues in the future with holding aggressive / intolerant views on them now.
I think a lot of social acceptance today is a mask. It's something people put on to virtue signal in the age of social media, and they expand their appearance of tolerance as wide as is currently socially acceptable to avoid anything being used against them in the future. You can see these masks slip occasionally.
My wife was originally born in Russia. She's lived outside the country for over 2 decades, is as little aligned with that country's politics as you can be, and is generally a very likeable charismatic person.
I've seen some incredibly "tolerant" and "accepting" people (of religious, ethnic, sexual, nationality aspects) who are unaware of her nationality spurt out the most vitriolic opinions of Russians (mostly when something relevant appears in the news), sometimes pretexted with "all" or "majority". In the environment these "tolerant" people live in, Russians are an acceptable group to hate en-masse. Many other nationalities also apply.
Many times she doesn't say anything, but when she has, you can see the mask going on in real-time. "Not all", "not you", "except you", backtracking and saving face.
Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
#288I read the abstract but I'm still a bit confused. Will this help people who have down syndrome? Or is it a way to help future pregnancies?
The realistic reading is that: In the future, a treatment based on this technique could help parents going through IVF rescue more embryos from trisomy-21. Considering that scope, the people for whom this could be useful are those who have very few embryos, one or more of which have trisomy-21. With a young couple, they will have many embryos and preimplantation genetic testing will reveal trisomy-21 early enough tha…
This comment and the original question ought to be pinned to the top of this discussion.
Re: Scientists may have found a way to eliminate chromosome linked to Down syndrome
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Because it's a form of eugenics, however far down the spectrum it may be. edit: I mean to imply here that the overton window is shifted, basically.
The main evil of WW2 eugenics was preventing certain people from having children based on arbitrary rules. Aborting a fetus with trisomia so that the couple can try again for a healthy child is nothing like that.
It's no less arbitrary than deciding that gypsies, who engage in petty crime and mistreat their children, forcing them to become beggars and thieves themselves, should not reproduce. If anything, Down kids probably bring more good to society than gypsy kids. And forced sterilization is arguably more ethical than forced abortion.
Same things goes for alcoholics and drug users.
Privately, most people agree with this position. The idea that eugenics is inherently bad is very unsound and doesn't withstand scrutiny.
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Well, the test is simple - would you like to get Dawn chromosome yourself? Or may be have your children get it? I’m sure the answer is No.
That is not a simple test. Ask any straight person if they’d want to turn gay, the vast majority would say no. My guess is they’d say no if you asked the same question about their children. But I’m gay, and while there are pros and cons to it, I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. And I don’t think just because someone else doesn’t want to be me is a reasonable bar for eradication. To be clear, I’m not sayin…
>But I’m gay, and while there are pros and cons to it, I wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.
Having Dawn syndrome is severe impairment.
Being gay isn't an impairment. At least nowadays in US. I'm not sure you would feel the same if you were gay in Chechnja ... where supposedly gays just don't exist, and when something like gay happens the family deals with him themselves (the rule there - either the family deals with their own member, or the society will deal with the whole family). Especially if it were about your children.