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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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I don't get why the UK always does this. it's like GSM encryption all over again. Is it a particularly snoop-ey culture stemming from GCHQ or something?

Why should US have a monopoly on intelligence?

Ideally no one should do this.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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post #201

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Muddying the "simple argument" would be lumping stalkers in with people inciting violence against foreigners and posting nasty comments about the Prime Minister, to make some kind of point about the police. That would be ridiculous.

Stalking: Already a Crime Inciting Violence: Already a Crime Posting nasty comments: Not a crime. Glad I could clear things up for you.

I am sorry to disappoint you, but posting nasty comments is a crime in the UK under the 2003 Communications Act, which means it has been a crime for decades.

  Section 127(1) makes it an offence to:
  "Send by means of a public electronic communications network a message that is a -
  (a) grossly offensive,
  (b) indecent, obscene, or menacing, or
  (c) false, known to be false, for causing annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety."

  Section 127(2) adds that: "A person is also guilty of an offence if they cause a message or other matter to be sent that is similarly offensive or menancing.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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There are a lot of things that are publicly known but if he's signed an NDA he can't point at them or acknowledge their authenticity. Anyway Pegasus isn't even the correct ballpark lol.

Just about every confidentiality clause or NDA I've ever signed had a provision specifically excluding information independently in the public domain from its scope. I find it strange to the point of lacking credibility that someone working in a security-related field would have an NDA that required them to pretend to ignore even public domain information yet permitted them to post the kind of innuendo seen in this d…

Why should I disclose public domain knowledge when it’s public? The whole point was to point out there’s ways that aren’t public being used.

Believe it or not, I actually care about privacy. Innuendo is not my intent, no maliciousness here, only stating there are programs that have access to your data. Telegram/Signal/Encrypted or not. They don’t need access to your device. Only access to the Internet.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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There is nothing extraordinary about a claim that multiple commercial organisations routinely and reliably defeat the security of modern devices on behalf of law enforcement - something that would clearly undermine numerous public claims about the security and privacy of those devices made by their manufacturer? You and I have very different ideas of what is extraordinary!

Multiple vendors advertise and sell devices and software to crack iPhones, they have for years. In the US, any decent size city or county sheriff has access to one. State level forensics labs probably have several types. The manufacturer provides the means to bypass many of the cheaper tools, but few people use them. There are more exotic tools that can bypass security controls. These are more niche and not generally…

I like the term exotic tools like they aren’t utilizing GovCloud…

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Stalking: Already a Crime Inciting Violence: Already a Crime Posting nasty comments: Not a crime. Glad I could clear things up for you.

Except, in some countries, it is a crime. Why do you think it's not one? Are you familiar with UK law? In Germany there are even stricter laws. Insulting someone is a crime, even if the things you say are factually true. And then you have repressive dictatorships, like the UAE, USA and China, where you can't disagree with the government on anything. It's definitely a crime there, to say the president looks like Winni…

I am familiar with the UK law, and it has been a crime for decades.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44641764

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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post #139

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Basically, there is no backdoor. The front door is wide open, the government just needs to ask. Or not even that -- just take whatever they need themselves.

Even in the US, even if Apple doesn’t have a backdoor, isn’t NSA linked up into the telecom companies already?

If there's a properly implemented end-to-end encryption, then NSA cannot see anything, even having full access to telco-s.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically, there is no backdoor. The front door is wide open, the government just needs to ask. Or not even that -- just take whatever they need themselves.

Even in the US, even if Apple doesn’t have a backdoor, isn’t NSA linked up into the telecom companies already?

The whole point of encryption in transit is that it doesn't matter if the telecom companies aren't trusted: they still can't read the data.
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