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Re: I extracted the safety filters from Apple Intelligence models

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Post by energy123 »

Hackbraten wrote: post #268
energy123 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the rhetorical tactic of false equivalence. State censorship by an autocracy with the objective of population control is not the same thing as a private company inside a democracy censoring their product to avoid bad press and maintain goodwill for shareholders. If you want solid proof that it's not the same thing, see all the uncensored open weights models that you can freely download and use without fear of…

But who of the general populace has the technical skill to replace their on-device assistant with a free one? And that's if Apple even allows that? In practice, there's not that much difference between a megacorporate monopolist and a state.

I think there are big differences, such as whether or not you go to prison. Those differences are obfuscated when we use language like "megacorporate monopolist" or "scifi dystopia". Instead of using these abstract labels that attempt to categorize different things into homogeneous buckets that have preexisting moral valence, which is a good rhetorical strategy but a poor strategy for understanding, simply describe what is actually happening at a sufficient level of detail without judgement. We would gain a clearer understanding, which is needed to identify the real problems, such as what Meta is doing to our civic fabric, not some unimportant thing that Apple is doing to its nascent LLM that has 0% market share.

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Post by ben_w »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #267
Rebelgecko wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is somewhat related to the concept of the "euphemism treadmill": the matter-of-fact term of today becomes the pejorative of tomorrow so a new term is invented to avoid the negative connotation of the original term. Then eventually the new term becomes a pejorative and the cycle continues.

It has been suggested - although I am unsure if there is strong evidence - that the word "bear" is a euphemism along these lines, meaning "brown one" for the since-forgotten original name for the animal, as it was allegedly believed to be either too frightful to say aloud, or would summon a bear.

While it's conceivable (consider phrases such as "speak of the devil and he shall appear" and similar phrases in other languages), I would also say the etymology of names for things are often at the same level as "brown one":

  • Horse, ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *ḱers-, “to run”
  • Planet, from Ancient Greek πλανήτης (planḗtēs), “wanderer”
  • Lots of Latin-derived words, companion (bread together), conspire (breathe together), transgression (step across), etc.
  • Hamburger the food named after the city of Hamburg, where "burg" means "castle", because it had a castle
  • My forename means "son of the right/south" or "son of days", my family name means "wheat field/clearing" (in a different language); where "wheat" itself comes from Proto-Germanic, from *hwītaz (“white”) and the "ley" part from Proto-Indo-European *lówkos (“clearing”), derived from *lewk- (“bright”), and *lewk-  also gives all these derived terms even just in English:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_terms_derive...

Re: I extracted the safety filters from Apple Intelligence models

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Post by thephyber »

coldtea wrote: post #252
immibis wrote: post #222

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People weren't using the OK gesture innocently. After 4chan trolls decided to start pretending it was a white supremacist symbol, actual white supremacists started using it as a symbol.

All 10 of them? What about the other 7-8 billion people still using it normally?

Some were using it in the traditional unironic (and IMHO cringe) way, similar to anyone who used the phrase “Let’s go, Brandon!” Before that NASCAR race when MAGAs adopted it as ironic + coded vice signaling.

Quit being overly pedantic. We all knew there was an unironic purpose for the gesture before it became ironic.

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Post by plutokras »

Cort3z wrote: post #284

What are they protecting against? Honestly. LLMs should probably have an age limit, and then, if you are above, you should be adult enough to understand what this is and how it can be used. To me, it seems like they only protect against bad press

> What are they protecting against? Honestly.

They are protcting their producer from bad PR.

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Post by rhdunn »

mcny wrote: post #174
kevinventullo wrote: post #170

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It’s not about whether they can face it. The younger generations are more in tune with mental health and topics like suicide than any previous generation. The etymology of the euphemism was about avoiding online censorship, while its “IRL” usage was merely absorbed through familiarity from the online usage.

But unalive self is suicide and unalive is just death, right? For example, You can unalive other people against their will...

I've seen 'unalived' used as a synonym for 'died' or 'killed' by YouTube minecrafters (e.g. CaptainSparkles) to avoid YouTube's demonitization/censorship. For example, using "I was unalived by a skeleton." instead of "I was killed by a skeleton."

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Post by zelphirkalt »

avianlyric wrote: post #121
pyuser583 wrote: post #100

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It’s not wrong, it just requires transparency. This is extremely untransparent. A while back a British politician was “de-banked” and his bank denied it. That’s extremely wrong. By all means: make distinctions. But let people know it! If I’m denied a mortgage because my uncle is a foreign head of state, let me know that’s the reason. Let the world know that’s the reason! Please!

> A while back a British politician was “de-banked” and his bank denied it. That’s extremely wrong. Cry me a river. I’ve worked in banks in the team making exactly these kinds of decisions. Trust me Nigel Farage knew exactly what happened and why. NatWest never denied it to the public, because they originally refused to comment on it. Commenting on the specifics details of a customer would be a horrific breach of cus…

The point is not merely for that affected person to know, whoever they are, the point of transparency is for the public to know and form their opinion about it, and not be blindly controlled by unelected businesses.

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Post by matusp »

Cort3z wrote: post #284

What are they protecting against? Honestly. LLMs should probably have an age limit, and then, if you are above, you should be adult enough to understand what this is and how it can be used. To me, it seems like they only protect against bad press

Yes, it is indeed to mitigate bad press. Unfortunately, the discussion about AI is so ridiculous, that it is often considered newsworthy when a product generates something funky for a person with large enough Twitter audience. Nobody wants to answer the questions about why their LLM generated it and how they will prevent it in the future.

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Post by 0points »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #267
Rebelgecko wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is somewhat related to the concept of the "euphemism treadmill": the matter-of-fact term of today becomes the pejorative of tomorrow so a new term is invented to avoid the negative connotation of the original term. Then eventually the new term becomes a pejorative and the cycle continues.

It has been suggested - although I am unsure if there is strong evidence - that the word "bear" is a euphemism along these lines, meaning "brown one" for the since-forgotten original name for the animal, as it was allegedly believed to be either too frightful to say aloud, or would summon a bear.

It's not suggested, the historic use of noa words is a fact.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noa-name

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Post by mschuster91 »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #269
Meekro wrote: post #263

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It's interesting how, in just 10-20 years, we've gone from criticizing The Great Firewall of China to basically admitting that they had the right idea (to limit the ability of the foreign internet to influence Chinese culture) and trying to do the same thing.

I look at from a framing of cultural reciprocity. If we could influence them and behave freely in their markets, they can do the same in ours.

exactly. When dealing with autocracies and strongmen, you need to project an image of strength, not subservience.

I don't have anything against China per se, IMHO it just was completely foolish to not insist on full reciprocity from the start.

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