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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by stodor89 »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy.

I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by tonyhart7 »

Consumer GPU feels like an "paper launch" for the past years

that's like they purposely not selling because they allocated 80% of their production to enterprise only

I just hope that new fabs operate early as possible because these price is insane

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by amatecha »

kbolino wrote: post #130
strictnein wrote: post #105

This really makes no sense: > This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? Scalpers are a retail wide problem. A…

Scalping and MSRP-baiting have been around for far too many years for nVidia to claim innocence. The death of EVGA's GPU line also revealed that nVidia holds most of the cards in the relationship with its "partners". Sure, Micro Center and Amazon can only do so much, and nVidia isn't a retailer, but they know what's going on and their behavior shows that they actually like this situation.

Yeah wait, what happened with EVGA? (guess I can search it up, of course) I was browsing gaming PC hardware recently and noticed none of the GPUs were from EVGA .. I used to buy their cards because they had such a good warranty policy (in my experience)... :\

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by amatecha »

Uhh, these 12VHPWR connectors seem like a serious fire risk. How are they not being recalled? I just got a 5060ti , now I'm wishing I went AMD instead.. what the hell :(

Whoa, the stuff covered in the rest of the post is just as egregious. Wow! Maybe time to figure out which AMD models compares performance-wise and sell this thing, jeez.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by theshackleford »

globalnode wrote: post #136
mystified5016 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only games in my library at all that don't work on linux are indie games from the early 2000s, and I'm comfortable blaming the games themselves in this case. I also don't play any games that require a rootkit, so..

good move, thats why i treat my windows install as a dumb game box, they can steal whatever data they want from that i dont care. i do my real work on linux, as far away from windows as i can possibly get.

Same way I treat my windows machine, but also the reason I wont be swapping it to linux any time soon. I use different operating systems for different purposes for a reason. It's great for fompartmentalization.

When I am in front of windows, I know I can permit myself to relax, breath easy and let off some steam. When I am not, I know I am there to learn/earn a living/produce something etc. Most probably do not need this, but my brain does, or I would never switch off.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by esseph »

stodor89 wrote: post #281
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.

"it's just a fad"

Nah. Games will always be around.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by esseph »

frollogaston wrote: post #61
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

Also playing PC video games doesn't even require a Nvidia GPU. It does sorta require Windows. I don't want to use that, so guess I lost the ability to waste tons of time playing boring games, oh no.

Proton/Steam/ Linux works damn nearly flawlessly for /most/ games. I've gone through a Nvidia 2060, a 4060, and now an AMD 6700 XT. No issues even for release titles at launch.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by kuschku »

AzN1337c0d3r wrote: post #275
ryao wrote: post #220

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Has anyone made 12VHPWR cables that replace the 12 little wires with 2 large gauge wires yet? That would prevent the wires from becoming unbalanced, which should preempt the melting connector problem. As a bonus, if the gauge is large enough, the cable would actually cool the connectors, although that should not be necessary since the failure appears to be caused by overloaded wires dumping heat into the connector as…

They don't just specify 12 smaller cables for nothing if 2 larger ones will do. There are concerns here with mechanical compatibility (12 wires have smaller allowable bend radius than 2 larger ones with the same ampacity).

One option is to use two very wide, thin insulated copper sheets as cable. Still has a good bend radius in one dimension, but is able to sink a lot of power.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by bigyabai »

alganet wrote: post #96
bigyabai wrote: post #87

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A lot of those Xeon e-waste machines were downright awful, especially for the "cheap gaming PC" niche they were popular in. Low single-core clock speeds, low memory bandwidth for desktop-style configurations and super expensive motherboards that ran at a higher wattage than the consumer alternatives. > THIS will be the excitement everyone is looking for. Or TSMC could become geopolitically jeopardized somehow, drasti…

They were awful compared to newer models, but for the price of nothing , pretty good deal. If no good use is found for high-end GPUs, secondhand models will be like AOL CDs.

Sure, eventually. Then in 2032, you can enjoy the raster performance that slightly-affluent people in 2025 had for years.

By your logic people should be snatching up the 900 and 1000-series cards by the truckload if the demand was so huge. But a GTX 980 is like $60 these days, and honestly not very competitive in many departments. Neither it nor the 1000-series have driver support nowadays, so most users will reach for a more recent card.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by theshackleford »

amatecha wrote: post #283
kbolino wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scalping and MSRP-baiting have been around for far too many years for nVidia to claim innocence. The death of EVGA's GPU line also revealed that nVidia holds most of the cards in the relationship with its "partners". Sure, Micro Center and Amazon can only do so much, and nVidia isn't a retailer, but they know what's going on and their behavior shows that they actually like this situation.

Yeah wait, what happened with EVGA? (guess I can search it up, of course) I was browsing gaming PC hardware recently and noticed none of the GPUs were from EVGA .. I used to buy their cards because they had such a good warranty policy (in my experience)... :\

In 2022 claiming a lack of respect from Nvidia, low margins, and Nvidia's control over partners as just a few of the reasons, EVGA ended its partnership with Nvidia and ceased manufacturing Nvidia GPUs.

> I used to buy their cards because they had such a good warranty policy (in my experience)... :\

It's so wild to hear this as in my country, they were not considered anything special over any other third party retailer as we have strong consumer protection laws which means its all much of a muchness.

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