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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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> Playing with daddy's money Personal attacks like this are not ok. Sure, criticize their actions, but don't parlay that into this kind of personal swipe at the individuals and their families; that's when the line is crossed from valid critique of actions to nasty mob pile-on, and that's never ok here. Not that it should matter but as far as I can tell, the Pickle founder/CEO grew up and studied in Korea, and we have…

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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Isn't that a very outspoken objective of YC, to fund people, not ideas? Long time ago I caught up to what YC is doing, but even when I first joined HN back in like 2013 I think the whole "Fund people, not ideas" shtick was already explicitly what they were doing, unless I remember wrong.

Isn't "fund people" just hiring without the extra steps?

Isn't that what VCs in general are doing? Hiring for more money, with more expected gains from you, with a different kind of legal arrangement, but still hiring nevertheless.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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When interviewers use LLM gargbage to filter out participants, expect candidates to do the same.

I don't use LLMs to filter out participants and I expect candidates not to use LLMs to cheat.

Have you tried putting yourself in the perspective of the humans trying to find a job in a market that is turning over now and was already dystopian before AI was injected into a dystopian, hellish process of “putting on a tie and using a firm handshake” to apply into the void.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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We are in a crisis of morals. There has always been trashy people but since 2020 it feels like a lack of morals is rewarded more than ever.

A natural consequence of a system that promotes radical individuality, false scarcity, fear of missing out, greed, and violence. Win at all costs.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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I'm having trouble mustering sympathy.

If our rights are contingent on taste then we have no rights at all.

If a criminal steals from another criminal, do you feel sorry for the first criminal?

If the software in question was explicitly intended for illegal purposes, would you still take the same position?

For me, moral lines exist. I don’t defend the right of people to profit from immoral acts.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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One starts to wonder whether the LLM vendors laissez-faire approach to the legality of ingesting copyrighted / licensed material will start to infect the industry in general?

I have yet to hear a convincing case for why what the LLM vendors did/do is different than what humans do to learn and become proficient in producing their own work. Do you owe everyone you have ever read a royalty for influencing your writing style or voice? How about for all the other things you have leaned and become competent in? There is a bigger issue here that is related to what humanity actually is and how we…

> I have yet to hear a convincing case for why what the LLM vendors did/do is different than what humans do to learn and become proficient in producing their own work.

Humans don't read other codebases en masse. Hell, I haven't read the entirety of our own codebase. I learned by doing, from books (that I paid for or legally borrowed), and yes, by looking at a small amount of other people's code (permitted by the respective licenses).

Humans are not remix machines, AIs (currently) are.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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To a casual outside observer the quality of the companies YC invests in seems to have absolutely cratered. Have they just given up on vetting and switched to a throw money at everything approach?

> Have they just given up on vetting and switched to a throw money at everything approach? this is exactly their business model. almost word for word.

I'd say they have historically aspired to active informed selection and then accepting that out of that portfolio many will fail cause that's how VC goes. That's not quite the same as buy everything.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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I, for one, deserted GitHub, and do not use for anything else personal anymore. I'm not against permissive licensing, but all my code will be (A)GPLv3 or later. A particular project I'm working on will be on a private Git server until I complete and open it as a package. Even after that, I might keep the development closed and release tarballs only (aka Catherdral Model). All code I write is also AI-Free. It won't be…

if you ever used github for anything other than agpl3 you're doing it wrong

None of my personal repositories are licensed with a permissive license. All of them are GPLv3, however I have found GPL licensed code in “The Stack”. Moreover, there’s an ancient and deleted tweet which confirmed GPL code (in fact any open repository) was used to train copilot in the beginning. As a result, I can’t trust anyone from now on.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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I have yet to hear a convincing case for why what the LLM vendors did/do is different than what humans do to learn and become proficient in producing their own work. Do you owe everyone you have ever read a royalty for influencing your writing style or voice? How about for all the other things you have leaned and become competent in? There is a bigger issue here that is related to what humanity actually is and how we…

> I have yet to hear a convincing case for why what the LLM vendors did/do is different than what humans do to learn and become proficient in producing their own work. Humans don't read other codebases en masse. Hell, I haven't read the entirety of our own codebase. I learned by doing, from books (that I paid for or legally borrowed), and yes, by looking at a small amount of other people's code (permitted by the resp…

Plus, humans do not remember any code base they read verbatim indefinitely, strip its license and mix into any codebase regardless of its license.

Moreover humans learn and evolve their knowledge from other experiences other than books and others’ code.

As you said LLMs just remix something semi randomly according to a weighted graph with no underlying knowledge or understanding whatsoever.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Sure but it sort of devalues labor. If a corporation is stealing your OSS code (and violating a license) then that implies that they think your code has value, they might have paid a person to write that code but instead some hobbyist built it for free and a corporation steals it. A few months ago, I made a pull request to LMAX Disruptor, which was merged. I was initially excited because even if my PR was simple it’s…

> But after a few minutes it occurred to me that I just did free labor for a for-profit trading company. If they merged in my code then must have thought it had some value, and I decided to dedicate my time to saving this multi million dollar company some money. If you're not ok with that possibility than you probably shouldn't be participating in open source. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that. Its up…

It’s just why I have become disillusioned with it. I think companies exploit well-meaning people that should be paid for their work. I have used Linux and open source tools for roughly the last twenty years, a part of me loves open source, but I think that big corporations take advantage of this love and it devalues labor.

Which is why I have stopped participating in it. If I am doing work that provides value to a company then they should pay me for it.

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