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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by Dumblydorr » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:48 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #280

lotsofpulp wrote: post #245

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The new tax bill, which benefits asset owners (wealthy), older people, and the beneficiaries of the wealthy. When you have a population age histogram that is flattening and eventually an upside down triangle, you need some way of extracting labor from the young and giving it to the old (the chosen ones who can afford it) to maintain the socioeconomic hierarchy. The young without inheritances won’t ever have it as goo…

I don't think it really has a whole lot to do with socioeconomic hierarchy; I think that's just a happy accident. Old people vote. Old people vote in midterms and odd timed elections. Therefore, old people decide the candidates. Any politician would be smart to court them as a voting bloc. As for the benefits for the wealthy; that's just the same old bullshit in a new protectionist wrapper. Get my friends and family…

Nice theory, however you’re believing people vote for their best interests, and the above comment believes they’re deluded by misinformation.

I think both are occurring. Young white men went GOP, why is that? Anti vaxx leftists went with Kennedy, why is that? Why do anti-immigration and pro-economics claim the top two republican policy slots, when they’re firmly opposed in their effects on the economy? This is the contradictory trend of delusion and cult of personality.

If the BBB just passed is an indication, I think overall we are more on the deluded side, most of these deluded non-rich white folks are more anti-immigrant than pro-economics.

Of course I do not believe GOP economic policies are better than the alternative, I’m not the one who voted for that policy regime however!

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by ta1243 » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:48 PM UTC

epgui wrote: post #271

pjc50 wrote: post #246

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You weren't paying attention to his Twitter, then. The far right turn was extremely obvious.

You can pinpoint, fairly easily, the year Elon turned from eccentric to insane to sometime in 2019 just by looking at his wiki page. It’s so weird.

I think it was "pedo guy" which broke something in him.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:50 PM UTC

epgui wrote: post #271

pjc50 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You weren't paying attention to his Twitter, then. The far right turn was extremely obvious.

You can pinpoint, fairly easily, the year Elon turned from eccentric to insane to sometime in 2019 just by looking at his wiki page. It’s so weird.

Huh, makes me wonder about claims that it’s a reaction to his daughter coming out as trans. That happened publicly in 2020, according to wikipedia, but it probably came up in private beforehand. The timing is close enough that it seems likely. It’s interesting to note since I wasn’t really familiar with the timeline of his villain arc.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by timr » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:52 PM UTC

roxolotl wrote: post #54

timr wrote: post #49

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Is it really that unreasonable to believe that a government run by people who’ve regularly called climate change a hoax and has a history of pulling previously public data is pulling the public data about climate change? I don’t disagree that jumping to conclusions is bad but intentionally discounting prior behavior seems just as reckless to me.

I’m not “discounting prior behavior”, I’m just not getting exorcised over shutdown of a website, particularly when the explanation is likely to be incompetence.

Be real: do you honestly believe that this website was influencing any marginal opinions? I don’t. Most of the people here who are so outraged likely had no idea that this website existed before today.

This is a case where a website is a political flag, and one side is upset that the other side took down their flag. It’s all just tedious and dumb, has only tangential relationship to science, and makes exactly no difference to the world.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by Marazan » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:54 PM UTC

4gotunameagain wrote: post #272

Marazan wrote: post #270

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Latvia and Estonia are members. Finland is a member. Lithuania is a member. The sad reality is that your logic is just a twisted pretzel to support the position you wish to take which is you support Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

I do not support any invasion. This is why I do not support the US policy that caused this invasion. And countless others. The US military industrial complex is a huge beast that needs an enemy to exist. There is so much money in the game.

If Russia attacked Ukraine because it considered applying for NATO membership that would be years of not decades away why did Russia not attack any other country that actually started the process of joining NATO and did actually join.

The USA did not make Russia attack Ukraine.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 1:56 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #280

lotsofpulp wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new tax bill, which benefits asset owners (wealthy), older people, and the beneficiaries of the wealthy. When you have a population age histogram that is flattening and eventually an upside down triangle, you need some way of extracting labor from the young and giving it to the old (the chosen ones who can afford it) to maintain the socioeconomic hierarchy. The young without inheritances won’t ever have it as goo…

I don't think it really has a whole lot to do with socioeconomic hierarchy; I think that's just a happy accident. Old people vote. Old people vote in midterms and odd timed elections. Therefore, old people decide the candidates. Any politician would be smart to court them as a voting bloc. As for the benefits for the wealthy; that's just the same old bullshit in a new protectionist wrapper. Get my friends and family…

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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by SirMaster » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 2:00 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #233

4gotunameagain wrote: post #228

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If we are to be completely rational, what made no sense was Ukraine thinking it could be a part of NATO, or independent. It is the sad reality of existing next to a superpower. You cannot be independent. It would either be heavily influenced by Russia, or the option B they chose: in rubble.

Russia stopped being a superpower with the fall of the USSR. And before anyone says so, "has a permanent seat on UN security council" doesn't count, the UK and France also have that status and even combined were no longer superpowers by the time of the Suez crisis. Likewise "has nukes" is not sufficient. The EU is closer to being one than Russia is today, and even then the EU is only kinda a bit of one in some measur…

Why does every source I can find list Russia as a superpower?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by dmix » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 2:06 PM UTC

HelloMcFly wrote: post #273

FergusArgyll wrote: post #257

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> How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug co…

> Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism Is this really what you think? That the people concerned about climate change are really just interested in changing economic policy? The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. > Let's get rich enough so ev…

> The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts.

Is that really controversial? Reducing consumption and crippling new economic developments like mining/pipelines/logging/large construction projects etc has always been a huge part of environmentalist movement.

Even here in Canada whose economy depends heavily on oil, lumber, and mines...One of the biggest responses to US aggression is to try to reverse that as opposed to years our of GDP growth declining in favour of climate activism and interference by native groups stopping any new projects.

You can't even build a road in BC without activists stopping it.

idk about the US but it's hard to find any industry not impacted by it here.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by dataflow » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 2:11 PM UTC

Marazan wrote: post #270

4gotunameagain wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we are to be completely rational, what made no sense was Ukraine thinking it could be a part of NATO, or independent. It is the sad reality of existing next to a superpower. You cannot be independent. It would either be heavily influenced by Russia, or the option B they chose: in rubble.

Latvia and Estonia are members. Finland is a member. Lithuania is a member. The sad reality is that your logic is just a twisted pretzel to support the position you wish to take which is you support Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

Finland? Didn't Finland apply to join NATO in 2022, after the start of the war?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 2:18 PM UTC

Marazan wrote: post #285

4gotunameagain wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not support any invasion. This is why I do not support the US policy that caused this invasion. And countless others. The US military industrial complex is a huge beast that needs an enemy to exist. There is so much money in the game.

If Russia attacked Ukraine because it considered applying for NATO membership that would be years of not decades away why did Russia not attack any other country that actually started the process of joining NATO and did actually join. The USA did not make Russia attack Ukraine.

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