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Post by latexr »

encom wrote: post #105
latexr wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads What? No they don’t. I wish. Where did you get that idea? Apple loves ads. They do a ton of them and sell them to you. You can’t do an App Store search without seeing an ad right at the top, and the bottom, and the sides, and under your pillow. It’s absolutely littered with them. What Apple rails against is the tracking and invasion of privacy. Which inciden…

Apple is absolutely fine with tracking and privacy invasion, as long as they're the ones doing it.

Which has nothing to do with the point, which is that that’s what they rail against, not ads. If they are hypocrites about it is an orthogonal matter.

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Post by DidYaWipe »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

It has become increasingly clear that Apple needs a management housecleaning. Their purposeful antagonism of entire geopolitical blocs with anti-developer douchebaggery alone should have resulted in heads rolling.

But Jony Ive was part of the problem. His "taste level" resulted in the embarrassing emoji bar forced on "pro" users, a grossly defective keyboard that crippled Apple computers for five years, a computer with no available ports on it, regressive UI that made products less useful with every revision, battery life so poor that people were crouching in the corners of cafes next to outlets before lunch, the removal of headphone jacks from the best-selling music players... Ive is pompous hack with no ideas for the advancement of products.

Meanwhile, lazy and ignorant pundits have incorrectly lumped Apple into "big tech" with Google, Amazon, and Meta because they can't be bothered to inform themselves (or even think) about the fact that those companies are all gatekeepers to huge swaths of the Internet; Apple is not. And their continual whining about Apple being "behind on AI" further testifies to their laziness and lack of critical thinking.

Nonetheless, Apple has forfeited the high road. They're now another asshole in the club, inviting scrutiny and crackdowns that threaten the value of the company. What are the owners going to do about it?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

daqnz wrote: post #42
JimDabell wrote: post #24

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I think this is a lot worse than the U2 thing. Operating systems bundle free stuff all the time. Even the Windows 95 CD had a Weezer music video on it. The U2 album wasn’t spammy it didn’t interrupt people, it was in an appropriate place, and it was easily removed. Even if you didn’t want it, it’s reasonable to not consider it a problem. This was outright spammy. It was trying to sell people something. It was in a se…

Completely disagree, for many people it was the only track in iTunes. And when things triggered iTunes to play it played that. I was in an older man’s car last year. It started playing the album. He remarked “oh that always plays, I don’t know why” as I reached for the volume. A decade later that album is still annoying people. Bluetooth triggered play or something like that and the only music on the old iPhone start…

He remarked “oh that always plays, I don’t know why” as I reached for the volume.

I use Spotify in the car, and have for years. A couple of weeks ago I made the mistake of saying, "Hey, Siri, play liked songs."

"OK, playing Apple Music."

Oh, well, yet another spark of genius from the tire fire that is Siri. Whatever. I switched back to Spotify manually and went on with my day.

Since then, every time I get in the car it starts playing tracks on Apple Music. No matter how many times I relaunch Spotify, even after force-closing the Apple Music app on the phone itself, Apple Music keeps coming back.

If there is a way to get it to properly resume the playback state at shutdown time, I'm not smart enough to find it. 100% pure unadulterated enshittification... courtesy of Apple, the company with "taste."

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Post by supportengineer »

hopelite wrote: post #255
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

I would say it’s simpler than that. Between Wall Street demanding “growth” and the executives’ stock options being tied to meeting those numbers, they always pull out any and all stops to push “growth”. As others have implied, with people like Jobs and others gone, there is also no cultural resistance based on core values that created Apple to push back on shameless debasement. It is also what is happening all over t…

All you can do is be an executive, or failing that, be a shareholder

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Post by cronelius »

supportengineer wrote: post #280
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

You missed an important use-case. If my phone lasts for six years and I’m extremely pleased with it, then of course I’m going to buy another one. I’m going to keep doing that indefinitely.

6 year customer cycles are not recurring revenue. they want your money monthly and annually

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Post by diskzero »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple employee pre, during and post Steve. I was in a lot of meetings with VPs whose tasteless suggestions were shut down immediately with the usual Steve critiques attached.

My recollection is that Eddy Cue got the most critiques, Phil Schiller the least and the rest were in between. Eddy would push back and still get shut down.

When Steve left the last time, it was knives out between these guys with Scott Forstall taking a fall as Tim Cook got ultimatums from everyone including Jony. I imagine loud voices with bad taste are pushing Tim hard. Apple can be an investor darling but Tim has needed to consider an exit and find a strong successor that knows what made Apple great in other ways.

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Post by latexr »

ksec wrote: post #95
latexr wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads What? No they don’t. I wish. Where did you get that idea? Apple loves ads. They do a ton of them and sell them to you. You can’t do an App Store search without seeing an ad right at the top, and the bottom, and the sides, and under your pillow. It’s absolutely littered with them. What Apple rails against is the tracking and invasion of privacy. Which inciden…

The App Store Search and iCloud Ads are relatively recent thing. The focus on tracking and invasion of privacy is also a refined version of it. Their whole PR campaign from 2017 to 2020 against ads. ( And it was more targeting Facebook Ads without saying it. Which Apple plan to destroy ) Somewhere between 2019 - 2022 They literally have to come out and said to say they are not against ads but only against tracking be…

> Their whole PR campaign from 2017 to 2020 against ads.

Could you provide specific examples? It is possible that I’m misremembering, but in that case you should be able to point me to those specific campaigns.

Everything else in your comment has nothing to do with my point, though.

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Post by supportengineer »

My fantasy is they create an entirely new product line called something like “Chunky” or maybe “Thiccc”. The idea is that it would have plenty of user replaceable modules. Everything would be swappable. The battery, the memory, the drives. Of course, this would still be a premium product. It would have expansion modules for things nobody has thought of yet. It’s a new market with unlimited opportunities

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Post by scarface_74 »

somenameforme wrote: post #161
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

There is no evidence from Apple’s breakout of iPhone revenue that sales or “plummeting”. They are stagnant.

And statistics show that the average person buys a new phone every 3 years. Apple’s laptop sales are also stagnate and not declining.

Most people use laptops - not desktops. There is no six year old laptop that has the combination of speed, battery life, quietness and lack of heat that a modern M series Mac has.

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Post by ceejayoz »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #266
WrongAssumption wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the source not make it clear? The first two bullets from your source. “Apple generated $390.8 billion revenue in 2024, 51% came from iPhone sales Apple Services is the second largest division, responsible for 24% of revenue in 2024”

Do either of those facts point to increases in iPhone sales?

The second source’s first paragraph says “with total sales expected to surpass previous records” for 2023, at least.
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