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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by onli »

UnreachableCode wrote: post #257
onli wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you call the Fairphone an insecure device? It has long update support and can re-lock the bootloader, which is like the one criteria ROMs like that pick as the security feature. What is your attack scenario, what your security criteria here? microG is not a drawback, it's a proper FOSS implementation, which I vastly prefer to running Gapps in a sandbox. App compatibility has been perfect for me. The main cr…

Thanks for the vid. I've been down the rabbit hole now. Looks like he departed the project though?

Last I checked he announced his departure only to rescind that announcement later. For example in the discussion about the shutdown of the Mozilla location service he was active and spoke for the project, completely derailing the issue with versions of the accusations the video depicts as well, which was afterwards.

I am always a bit sorry when I have to bring this up, that is why I only mentioned it when prompted. Mental health is a sensitive topic and hammering the problem won't help him, but it is just so relevant when users rely on the security of their system, even pick Graphene because of heightened security needs.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by johnsea »

beeflet wrote: post #142
blakeashleyjr wrote: post #83

Dreams: >Framework-like upgradability / repairability / modularity >Support for GrapheneOS >Sold in USA

Their phones are sold in the USA through Murena. I've bought a fairphone 4 through them. It was preloaded with eOS but I loaded calyxOS on it, which is similar to GrapheneOS. https://murena.com/products/smartphones/ It also supports a lot of linux distributions, including UBPorts and postmarketOS. I wish that they would just stick with one form factor and do the "framework computer" approach though.

calyxOS is _not_ similar to GrapheneOS

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by davkan »

godelski wrote: post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

Agreed, I honestly couldn’t tell you what the lockscreen on my pixel 3a looked like, I almost never saw it. 100x better than faceid.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by davkan »

al_borland wrote: post #117
godelski wrote: post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

I was a FaceID skeptic and it quickly won me over, not because of the unlocking experience, but for the authentication during use. What used to be a prompt, followed by an active fingerprint scan, turned into something completely seamless and automatic.

The one place i feel faceid is better than rear fingerprint reader is when i need to auth multiple times in quick succession like filling with my password manager.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by LtWorf »

tsimionescu wrote: post #237
LtWorf wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Manufacturers build products the market wants. Every single person wants smaller phones. What do we get? No small phones. Apple doesn't count… they are priced at 3x 4x what an android would cost. People want small phones but don't want to spend their whole salary on a phone.

I don't know of a single person who has switched to a smaller phone after having a bigger one (though also don't know anyone who bought a phablet, so maybe that's too big). As people moved most of their computer use to phones, bigger phones where you can see more of the web on your page, while still fitting in your pocket or purse, have won decidedly. By and large, the only people who want small phones are those that…

> I don't know of a single person who has switched to a smaller phone after having a bigger one

Similarly, I don't know a single person that likes to eat dodo eggs.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by girvo »

textm0de wrote: post #246
lnsru wrote: post #234

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Mail on iOS stopped working properly months ago, touch on this particular device sometimes does not work. Photos app is ridiculous. Software quality is declining. Even very average user like me can notice it.

The Mail thing was weird. I thought it was maybe an update or even a network issue as I had recently changed my router. I eventually gave up and replaced Mail with another email client.

I'm about 30 seconds away from doing the same. It's honestly woeful how bad it is. Probably just going to move to the Fastmail client directly, I suppose.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by UnreachableCode »

onli wrote: post #281
UnreachableCode wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the vid. I've been down the rabbit hole now. Looks like he departed the project though?

Last I checked he announced his departure only to rescind that announcement later. For example in the discussion about the shutdown of the Mozilla location service he was active and spoke for the project, completely derailing the issue with versions of the accusations the video depicts as well, which was afterwards. I am always a bit sorry when I have to bring this up, that is why I only mentioned it when prompted. M…

It's a shame. He's clearly very talented. Mental health is no joke, you're right.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by dzonga »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #242
0x38B wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fingerprint reader is one of the things I most love about my iPhone SE; I don’t see any reason to get a new phone. Apple’s declining software quality and walled garden incline me more and more towards ditching iPhone for GrapheneOS or a dumb phone like the Punkt MP; I find far more joy reading on an eReader, taking photos with a camera, or taking notes in my notebook than I do using the phone for any of those. Es…

I used iPhone SE 2020 temporarily when my main android was in repair and I loved it so much that I made it my daily driver. It fits perfectly on my dwarf hands, fingerprint for security and just the apps to get things done. Credit where it’s due to Apple for still supporting the phone with SW updates.

i still use a first gen SE. got updates up to ios15. given that it's almost 10 years old the battery lasted more than my pixel 6a.

I hate iOS but in terms of hardware quality and software updates its unmatched.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Post by stiray »

IlikeKitties wrote: post #279
stiray wrote: post #265

I am still waiting for Fairphone and Graphene OS collaboration. This is match made in heaven. Any Fairphone/GrapheneOS developer reading this? Just do it, document if something is not secure enough for you, but do it. Nothing to think about, you fit together like hand and a glove and any seconds thoughts are depriving the planet of THE PHONE! Pick the cash we will throw at you and make second generation with the cpu…

Fairphones consistently doesn't support a quarter of what graphene os requires. See their FAQ: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices Unless Fairphone becomes significantly better in their security and update policy and integrate a whole lot of new features it's not gonna happen.

This is the whole point, they should stop nitpicking and start to do it (GrapheneOS side), even if it is not going to be THE most secure phone, there is enough of features that are far more useful then just security (like privacy). I don't mind if they make it payable. With money they will get (I suspect there will be quite a bit less pixels sold) they can make a new phone that will have all the bells and whistles GrapheneOS wants and on the other side, Fairphone developers will figure out it is $$$ worthy to do it.

GrapheneOS has bunch of requirements that are expensive while Fairphone has zero chance to figure out, if investing would make any economical sense, while their normal users dont really care about that security but might regarding privacy. This is a stale-mate position.

Found info about GrapheneOS installations, 250k users(1). Lets say 25% are on old pixels. This is 60k sold pixels.

All Fairphones sold by 2022 were 400k(2).

1. 2024, https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/12281-how-many-grapheneos-u...

2. 2022, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone

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