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The worst part is I’m so deep in Apple ecosystem that it’s impossible to move to Android.

I'm genuinely so interested what this ecosystem is? Where do you use it? How does it help you?

I have asked every apple user around me and they just tell me about photo sync and iCloud.

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Bland and inoffensive is what I want from my OS. The stage manager should be facilitating the show, not trying out their own material on the crowd.

The OS is less the stage manager, and more the venue itself. Imagine if the Sydney Opera House or Carnegie Hall looked "inoffensive" rather than majestic.

It's definitely the stage manager for me as a Linux guy who likes to rip the WM out of whatever DE is running and replace it with i3. Different strokes!

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I agree. It is clear, functional, and reminds me of staged doctor’s offices in commercials for prescription drugs. Apple now is entering their Windows XP design era. Once things get too gaudy they will introduce Flat Glass or pretend like they invented straight lines and sharp corners. But at least that seems to have a personality.

> Apple now is entering their Windows XP design era. Is Windows XP universally understood to be bad design? I remember it as somewhere between blandly unremarkable and slightly pleasant.

I think any Windows GUI is going to be perceived with bias so I am not going to say that it was bad design, let alone universally bad. But it was bold, controversial, and short lived.

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"Samsung DeX has helped maximize productivity on phones, foldables and tablets for years. In Android 16, we worked closely with Samsung to develop desktop windowing, a new way to interact with your apps and content on large-screen devices." PS Let me make a guess for the future. Android Desktop mode will improve and people will ditch Windows and instead plug their phone into a USB-C dock that connects it to keyboard,…

> for a company with infinite SW dev resources

No such thing.

> Android Desktop mode will improve and people will ditch Windows

I agree; I would have switched from a desktop PC to my tablet in 2017 using DeX on my Samsung Tab S3 if enough websites would have worked with the DeX browser. I bet it's fine now, nearly a decade later.

Good on Google for not just stealing Samsung's work.

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So there are at least two of us! I'd be truly excited and willing to pay laptop-tier prices for either: 1) a bare (ala Pixel) foldable with S-pen and without large external displays to get cracked and complicate things 2) a rooted linux-computer-in-your-pocket that can be plugged into a usb-c hub and happens to have a SIM card/cell modem to work as a phone. ...but until then I just get by for years and years on whate…

For #2, I wonder if you're aware of Planet Computers: https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/devices/products/c...

The issue with Planet Computer's Linux support is the lack of it. They all rely on custom kernels using Android drivers and libhybris to function. For both the Cosmo Communicator and Gemini PDA they glue together a bootable version of Debian, tick the checkbox for "it runs Linux" and then call it a day.

https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php more of a historical collection of stories than an active forum about Planet Computer's devices.

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Honestly, I'm happy my phone won't get an update. This way I won't be exposed to new bugs. I'm on Android 13 and the only thing I observed when updating from 12 was that now when I switch apps, the screen blinks for split-second, which is incredibly annoying. Functionality-wise, there's very little that can be improved anyway. It's mostly just fiddling with details of the UI here and there. I think we grew up with te…

> Functionality-wise, there's very little that can be improved Yep. Honestly can't name a single major new smartphone feature that I would consider a dealbreaker that wasn't available 10 years ago. The last things that made me excited about a new phone was contactless payments and Android auto, but both are pretty old now. Now it's just a slightly different ui and maybe a bit better camera when I got a new phone.

> both are pretty old now

They are not that old and we still don’t have proper dashboard integration. I would like directions there rather than on the central console.

Plus there has been nice features trickling to user from release to release.

I like that you can easily use your phone as a clock with a magnetic dock. Translation and text selection in screenshot were nice. Search from picture highlight is great.

Phone screening is nice. Hold for me is nice too. Chat apps have improved by leaps and bounds since Covid. Productivity is now okay-ish at least for joining meetings and reading things.

As someone that plug his phone to a dock from time to time, convergence is nearly there but some things still need polish. I really wish we could get a better version of Office for example.

It’s not ground breaking but meaningful incremental improvements have been there.

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I genuinely think this is the case, and why products don't have a LTS interface, even though they ought to. Sign me right up for the 10 year LTS interface. I can't recall any features in gmail that were added that I actually use besides labels, which was an early launch feature. But it's been redesigned about 9 times in the last 20 years, each time with increasing white space and/or a slightly different font.

LTS interface is expensive for minimal benefit.

More expensive than re-designing it every 2 years?

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It's deeply disappointing to see that the multitasking solution for tablets that Google and Apple have settled on is... desktop-style floating windows, but without workspaces or window snapping. There's so much space here to experiment with tiling views, scrolling columns of windows, whatever. Floating windows are cumbersome enough when you have a mouse and big display to spread things out on. I've tried this floatin…

I think that it could be a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

The desktop paradigm is decades old, and deviating from it would probably elicit negative feedback (as seen in previous attempts by Apple in iPadOS).

> desktop-style floating windows, but without workspaces or window snapping.

In the new Desktop mode on Android, it supports snapping windows as well as multiple desktops/workspaces.

In iPadOS you can snap windows to halves or quadrants.

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> Clearer, simpler calling with hearing devices This is really important for me. Currently, hearing aids will turn to full duplex during calls, and be used as both input and output. - Audio quality will be much worse, since the bandwidth is split between the two channels. This is obviously bad if you're already struggling to hear. - Listening to music, for example, the volume controls on the hearing aids simultaneous…

It seems LE Audio is required for this feature and there aren’t many hearing aids that support it. Maybe I’ll check again in a year.

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One extremely disappointing thing that Android has been getting under the hood with Google images is ... Play integrity. This used to be a relatively simplistic system with three tiers: 0 - you are not certified for anything 1 - basic integrity, you need to have a genuine android device running google play services 2 - device integrity, you need to have a genuine android device with core requirements on play and no r…

Agree on all counts.

I'm going to trial/move to iOS because of this. If I'm going to live in a walled garden, might as well live in the better one.

Hopefully I can live with the shittier notifications/keyboard/lack of back button; I think the rest of iOS is overall better than a degoogled android experience.

I also don't really understand the point of all these strong integrity checks being enforced e.g. with banking apps or the alike. You can already just go to the corresponding website (and do the same actions) on a compromised device, how does restricting the app version provide any benefit?

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