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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by givemeethekeys »

gdubs wrote: post #238

There's a different thread if you want to wax about Fluid Glass etc [1], but there's some really interesting new improvements here for Apple Developers in Xcode 26. The new foundation frameworks around generative language model stuff looks very swift-y and nice for Apple developers. And it's local and on device. In the Platforms State of the Union they showed some really interesting sample apps using it to generate d…

> And it's local and on device.

Does that explain why you don't have to worry about token usage? The models run locally?

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by sho_hn »

codethief wrote: post #42

> New Design with Liquid Glass Looks like software UI design – just like fashion, film, architecture and many other fields I'm sure – has now officially entered the "nothing new under the sun" / "let's recycle ideas from xx years ago" stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_%28user_interface%29 To be clear, this is just an observation, not a judgment of that change or the quality of the design by itself. I was gett…

In fact, Apple once did a version of Aqua that did an overengineered materials-based rasterization at runtime, including a physically correct glass effect.

It was too slow and was later optimized away to run off of pre-rendered assets with some light typical style engine procedural code.

Feels like someone just dusted off the old vision now that the compute is there.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by cogman10 »

paxys wrote: post #33
jzelinskie wrote: post #29

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The screenshot in TFA pretty clearly shows docker-like workflows pulling images, showing tags and digests and running what looks to be the official Docker library version of Postgres.

Every container system is "docker-like". Some (like Podman) even have a drop-in replacement for the Docker CLI. Ultimately there are always subtle differences which make swapping between Docker Podman LXC or whatever else impossible without introducing messy bugs in your workflow, so you need to pick one and stick to it.

If you've not tried it recently, I suggest give the latest version of podman another shot. I'm currently using it over docker and a lot of the compatibility problems are gone. They've put in massive efforts into compatibility including docker compose support.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by cromka »

aequitas wrote: post #250
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192

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The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

There is already a paid alternative, Orbstack, for macOS which puts Docker for Mac to shame in terms of usability, features and performance. And then there are open alternatives like Colima.

How does it compare to Podman, though?

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by hbcondo714 »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #281
gdubs wrote: post #238

There's a different thread if you want to wax about Fluid Glass etc [1], but there's some really interesting new improvements here for Apple Developers in Xcode 26. The new foundation frameworks around generative language model stuff looks very swift-y and nice for Apple developers. And it's local and on device. In the Platforms State of the Union they showed some really interesting sample apps using it to generate d…

> And it's local and on device. Does that explain why you don't have to worry about token usage? The models run locally?

> You don’t have to worry about the exact tokens that Foundation Models operates with, the API nicely abstracts that away for you [1]

I have the same question. Their Deep dive into the Foundation Models framework video is nice for seeing code using the new `FoundationModels` library but for a "deep dive", I would like to learn more about tokenization. Hopefully these details are eventually disclosed unless someone else here already knows?

[1] https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025/301/?time=1...

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Post by kergonath »

mdaniel wrote: post #114
watermelon0 wrote: post #89

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Using a hypervisor means just running a Linux VM, like WSL2 does on Windows. There is nothing native about it. Native Linux (and Docker) support would be something like WSL1, where Windows kernel implemented Linux syscalls.

Surely if Windows kernel can be taught to respond to those syscalls, XNU can be taught it even easier. But, AIUI the Windows kernel already had a concept of "personalities" from back when they were trying to integrate OS/2 so that zero-to-one for XNU could be a huge lift, not the syscalls part specifically

> the Windows kernel already had a concept of "personalities" from back when they were trying to integrate OS/2 so that zero-to-one for XNU could be a huge lift, not the syscalls part specifically

XNU is modular, with its BSD servers on top of Mach. I don’t see this as being a strong advantage of NT.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by aquariusDue »

pests wrote: post #184
echelon wrote: post #57

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This reads like the crotchety and persnickety 60-somethings in the 1990's who said the internet was a passing and annoying fad.

I was musing before sleep days ago about how maybe the internet still is just a fad. We’ve had a few decades of it, yeah, but maybe in the future people will look at it as boring tech just like I viewed VCRs or phones when I was growing up. Maybe we’re still addicted to the novelty of it, but in the future it fades into the background of life. I’ve read stories about how people were amazed at calling each other and w…

A few years ago I would've said you were incredibly cynical, but nowadays with so much AI slop around social media and just tonnes of bad content I tend to agree with you.

Now the Cyberpunk pen and paper RPG seems prophetic if turn your head sideways a bit https://chatgpt.com/share/684762cc-9024-800e-9460-d5da3236cd...

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by nottorp »

mrbonner wrote: post #224
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

The containerization experience on macOS has historically been underwhelming in terms of performance. Using Docker or Podman on a Mac often feels sluggish and unnecessarily complex compared to native Linux environments. Recently, I experimented with Microsandbox, which was shared here a few weeks ago, and found its performance to be comparable to that of native containers on Linux. This leads me to hope that Apple wi…

Docker at least runs a linux vm that runs all those containers. Which is a lot of needless overhead.

The equivalent of Electron for containers :)

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by bandoti »

9dev wrote: post #257
pjmlp wrote: post #203

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With a whole generation forgetting they came first in big iron UNIX like HP-UX.

Does it really matter, tho?

Another reason it matters is they might have done it differently which could inspire future improvements. :)

I like to read bibliographies for that reason—to read books that inspired the author I’m reading at the time. Same goes for code and research papers!

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by nottorp »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #141
burntalmonds wrote: post #93

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I think practically everyone is better off with a laptop. iPad is great if you're an artist using the pencil, or just consuming media on it. Otherwise a macbook is far more powerful and ergonomic to use.

I think perhaps you are overestimating the computing needs of the majority of the population. Get one of the iPad cases with a keyboard and an iPad is in many ways a better laptop.

But the majority won't pay extra for an ipad and a keyboard, when they can pay less for an air with everything included...
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