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Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by adolph »

seanthemon wrote: post #96
adolph wrote: post #90

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I can definitely see a future time when small autonomous air vehicles start to have problems with the local wildlife, either from the thick flocks of grackles in winter or from the more mischievous neighborhood corvids.

They'll have protecto-drones and decoy drones following them until it's so expensive we go back to good ol' launching packages by trebuchet

The advantage of the trebuchet or other indirect fires is that the package need not contain and carry a large energy source. For so long as it has enough kinetic energy to maintain maneuverability, soft landing in a yard or porch could be done maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Precision_Airdrop_System

Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by adolph »

rurban wrote: post #239
adolph wrote: post #90

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I can definitely see a future time when small autonomous air vehicles start to have problems with the local wildlife, either from the thick flocks of grackles in winter or from the more mischievous neighborhood corvids.

Biggest problem already for the last 10 years. This guy uses reflective tape: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=muP8eZasOFs

Love how that guy even tried googly eyes

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Post by ty6853 »

mulmen wrote: post #262
ty6853 wrote: post #213

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The one that was killed was only done so away from Malheur, when the men with badges suddenly became brave again when they had one man and his family out in a bumfuck rural road.

The men with badges didn't "suddenly become brave". This was a planned operation to capture the leaders of the Malheur standoff. I can find no evidence or even claim that the passengers in LaVoy Finicum's truck were his family. He was transporting Ryan Bundy along with Shawna Cox, Victoria Sharp, and Ryan Payne. Ammon Bundy was in a trailing Jeep. Ammon surrendered in the initial stop but Finicum fled. After crashing…

It appears you are correct about the other members of the truck (though I'm unsure to what extent they were leaders). I had seen the video before but thought them in his family as he raised lots of foster children who may look quite unlike him.

The rest still stands, and the following interesting facts

>An Oregon State Police SWAT member, identified in the trial of FBI agent Astarita as "Officer 1", fired three shots with an AR-15, into Finicum's truck as it approached the roadblock.[144]

>While Finicum was leaving his truck, an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member allegedly fired two shots[146] one of which entered the truck and ricocheted, inflicting the minor shrapnel wound on Ryan Bundy.[32]

... and then apparently after all this, then he 'attempted' (lol) to draw after police shot at him multiple times (which would be wholly inappropriate after someone tried to kill him with an ar-15), except I can't find evidence he actually did draw.

In the aftermath, the police had to lie about the event:

> They later determined that an FBI Hostage Rescue Team member fired twice at Finicum, missed him but injured a second militant in the process. The agent, whose identity was withheld, was under investigation, along with four other FBI agents who were suspected of attempting to conceal evidence of the gunshots. They reportedly told investigators that none of them fired a shot during the incident.[40][41]

So they initiated fire, seemingly had a guilty enough conscious about initiating fire that they lied about it, isolated one old man who didn't draw and executed him. Clap, clap, brave men!

> He was literally yelling "shoot me" as they shot him.

... he was yelling shoot me, I am going to see the sheriff -- after actually being shot at. I realize your theory is that anyone who puts their hand near their pocket who is pocket carrying on a cold day is 'attempting' to draw, of course no matter if you actually tried that defense as anyone but the enforcer class you would lose horribly and have years in jail to think about it. You have a murderous interpretation of self defense here.

Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by jcims »

p_l wrote: post #279
jcims wrote: post #256

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Very possible but we're out in the middle of absolute nowhere. The ascent in particular looks robotic in its precision, takes maybe 30 seconds. It's really quite cool to see.

High vertical ascent/descent is very, very dangerous[1] method of takeoff/landing for helicopters, so especially in case of medical transport I would expect it to be due to safety factors more than anything. [1] been decades since I've read the textbook on it, but IIRC it involves higher load on rotor and engines than "running" methods that utilize ground effect and provide horizontal momentum against wind gusts.

I have the same recollection which I think is why it stood out to me the first time I saw it. It's frankly kind of bizarre looking, like it's getting hoisted by a crane.

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Post by Larrikin »

esseph wrote: post #242
Larrikin wrote: post #234

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Can you write up a blog post about how many months of the year you are being blocked from banking?

How much "frequent" means to you is entirely what I posted immediately as a response. I frankly don't give a shit to spend time on this with you anymore. It's pointless to debate our personal definitions. Have fun

Don't be pedantic on the internet and then double down and get mad when called out on it. Just argue in good faith and admit when you're wrong.

Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

thih9 wrote: post #280
fc417fc802 wrote: post #245

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At what height above your property does that come into effect though? According to US v. Causby the FAA only holds jurisdiction above the "minimum safe altitude". Anything below that is your private property. Naturally the FAA wouldn't be inclined to advertise such lines of thought.

Wikipedia says: "Currently, some aircraft, such as helicopters, balloons, and ultralights have no minimum safe altitudes."[1]. I don't know if drone counts as one of them, but I'm not aware of a specific number being listed as a minimum safe altitude for a drone either. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Causby

Right but presumably that's a hole in the existing precedent that the court needs to address. I'm reasonably certain that if my neighbor intentionally maneuvers a cherry picker 5 feet over my roof they are trespassing. I can't imagine that changing from a bucket on an arm to a balloon will change that (assuming there's intent).

So at what point does it change from "my property" to "public airspace above my property"? 5 ft? 20 ft? 100 ft? AFAIK we don't currently have a definitive answer. Personally I lean towards the effective range of a 12 gauge.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

DaSHacka wrote: post #163
bryanlarsen wrote: post #51

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Shotguns are only good for about 100 feet, most delivery drones transit higher than that.

I'd think people would get progressively more interested in shooting them the lower they're flying anyway

Yeah, the article is talking about delivery drones which will be over 100 feet unless it's delivering to you or your neighbor. Ones under 100 feet are much more likely to be toy or spy drones which are much more likely to be a nuisance or worse.

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Post by deepsun »

mike_d wrote: post #235
Spivak wrote: post #223

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No but I see no reason they can't pass noise ordinances irrespective of the means employed. They can't regulate drones but they can fine you for making noise that happens to be a drone. Can you imagine if concert venues could get around noise ordinances by lifting the speakers with drones? Absurd.

The FAA has "field preemption" from Congress. Meaning any state or local law that conflicts with the FAA's stated purpose is automatically rendered moot and unenforceable. The FAAs mandate is the efficient operation of aircraft within the airspace. So a law that bans a drone from using a massive speaker to violate a noise ordnance could be enforced, but a law against the operational noise of an aircraft could not. A…

Just buzzing someone's home by flying low (no speakers) is already pretty strong violation, can be criminal (harassing, stalking) per FAA. It's not new, been there since planes became popular.

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Post by bilbo0s »

gosub100 wrote: post #278
bilbo0s wrote: post #263

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Which is why you never join prime. And if you think damages are less than 10k from some kid getting hit in the head by a drone crashing through his/her window, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. In the US, healthcare alone is not that cheap. Finally, you suing AMZN is not how things work in the US. In the US, the relevant insurance companies work it out with each other. What I mean by that is, it is AmFam sui…

> AmFam suing AMZN. And believe me, AmFam is gonna get every penny it's owed. More like amfam buys you a new window and raises your premium.

That's why insurance is so profitable.

Because AmFam does both!

AmFam, State Farm, et al. suing AMZN for these claims nationally literally makes AmFam money over time. While costing AMZN money. That's what will move AMZN to either cease the practice, or design drones that are resilient to nearly any kind of attack.

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Post by potbelly83 »

thih9 wrote: post #39
tjohns wrote: post #10

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For what it's worth, shooting at aircraft (including drones) is a federal offense, and the FAA takes that one pretty seriously. Drones also have cameras.

The question is so common that it has its own section in the FAA’s drone FAQ > Can you shoot down drones above your property? > It’s illegal under federal law to shoot at an aircraft. A private citizen shooting at any aircraft – including unmanned aircraft – poses a significant safety hazard. An unmanned aircraft hit by gunfire could crash, causing damage to persons or property on the ground, or it could collide with…

Yeah, yeah, this is what every single drone hobbyist parrots on about when asked this question. However, when was the last time someone was actually charged and convicted (criminal not civil) for shooting down a drone flying over their property.
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